Qusestions regarding Al B Fucts "Get a harvest every 2 weeks"

iloveit

iloveit

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In case you dont know what Im talking about heres a link to his great link:

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html

Hopefully "Al B Fuct" will reply to these questions for everyone to gain from or if you can answer them feel free ok here we go...

IN THE FIRST POST HE SAID:
"The mums are maintained under 24 hour 400W HPS".
HOW CAN YOU CONSTANTLY KEEP MUMS IN VEG WITH 400W HPS?

I UNDERSTAND THAT HPS BULBS CAN BE USED FOR THE VEG PROCESS WITH BULBS LIKE PHILIPS SON T AGRO OR SYLVANIA BUT WILL THE PLANT NOT BEGIN FLOWERING AT ANY TIME, IM MEAN IF THEY ARE MOTHERS YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO CUT CLONES FROM THEM & KEEP THEM IN VEG ALL THE TIME NOT HAVE THEM FLOWER WHEN THE PLANT SEES FIT.

ALSO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A 400W HPS ON 24 HOURS?
WHY NOT FLUORESCENT OR METAL HALIDE & WHY NOT HAVE A NIGHT CYCLE?

If anyone else have any questions on his that particular post please ask here hopefully they will be answered.

THE ONLY REASON IVE STARTED THIS THREAD AND NOT ASKED THE ABOVE QUESTION IN HIS EXISTING THREAD IS BECAUSE THAT THREAD HAS OVER 100 PAGES FULL OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS SO ITS STARTING TO DRAG.


 
Kaya08

Kaya08

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if you want to keep a plant in veg and still have a "night period" use an 18 hour light, 6 hour dark schedule

indoor plants will only flower when given 12 hours of light and 12 hours dark

and you can totally use metal halide or even floros for veg... most people just recommend the hps because it is the best when used for flowering
 
KAOSOWNER

KAOSOWNER

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the female plant will mature and show sex but will not start to flower until the light cycle is switched to 12/12. So you can keep your mother plant under 24 hours of light with no flowers unless it is an auto flower strain
 
KAOSOWNER

KAOSOWNER

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im also not sure why he is using a 400w hps i would use a 400w metal halide but that is only preference, it truely dont matter for a mother because she is grown, you could also use flouro's for a mother.
 
MrFishy

MrFishy

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Yes, it would seem a single higher watt cfl (or 2) would suffice for keeping a mum in suspended action mode. I don't understand the use of the 400 W either, unless it's so the clones would already be used to the hps output, which would lessen their adjustment and thus, hasten maturity?
 
chuckbane

chuckbane

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iloveit said:
But why 24hours, why not 6/18? Would that make a difference?
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more light hours = more time to photosynthesize = more foliage = more stems to harvest for clones

it also gives the extra boost the plant needs to recoup after being cut

and i would also be using a 400w MH of i had a choice,, and all the money in the world

hps is the better bet though if you only plan to buy one bulb

but then again a "mother" will be vegging longer than she would be flowering so i would have to say MH in this case would be the way to go,, you are going to need a separate bulb for her anyways
 
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VictorVIcious

VictorVIcious

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He already had the light, he has about 10 mothers. Al takes big clones, throws some roots on them under floros, 24/7, and puts them in flowering in two weeks from the time they are cut. I have been working to set this up for about two years now, there is a reason for the 400 watt, its what you need for big clones. He is harvesting at least three pound of weed a month for 4 32" square tables in a room about 10' square maybe a little smaller, I gonna go out on a limb here and say he seems to know what he is doing. He has also started an Ask Al thread because his journal was to long and cumbersome, why not ask him the question there??? VV
 
bonz

bonz

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maybe the hps because it is more for flowering so without the correct cpectrum it wouldn`t get so big. and this could be the 24 hour light reason also. or some people still dont think plants grow more in the dark cycle. has anyone actualy aked him instead of us all geussing?
 
bonz

bonz

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the first post aked wouldn`t start to flower. no, it is the light schedule that starts the floweriung not the type of light
 
chuckbane

chuckbane

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another thing to point about about a 24 light cycle for a mother... less chance of it flowering on its own... i have heard (never experienced) people having old mothers just flowering by themselves,,,, i would think a 24 cycle would reduce the chance of this happening,, i could even see it eliminating the possibility
 
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Another cool thing about Al using HPS on the mothers, is redundancy.

Im sure he has spare 1K ballasts and bulbs, ( Right Al?) but if he HAD to, he could utilise the 400W as a backup for the flowering tray, until he was able to source new 1k HPS parts. ( I know, not enough light/sf , but better than in the dark..)

The mothers could probably hang out near the cloning box and get enough light to keep them out of flower for a week or so..

After getting very very baked and reading throught the ENTIRE thread in 2 sittings, I come away with the sense that Al is going for the path of least resistance in his op. This would equate to using materials on hand, like a leftover 400 watter once you get the 1K.

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edux10

edux10

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hids also let you grow bigger bushier plants due to the light pennitration. If he had the mums under floros (like some1 like me does) he would eventually run into some problems the way his setup is. I just have to get mine to like a foot and a half an put them under the HPS. I think if I got them big under floros then the bottom branches of a 4 ft tree would not get enough light to produce substantial branches..
 
iloveit

iloveit

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edux10 said:
hids also let you grow bigger bushier plants due to the light pennitration. If he had the mums under floros (like some1 like me does) he would eventually run into some problems the way his setup is. I just have to get mine to like a foot and a half an put them under the HPS. I think if I got them big under floros then the bottom branches of a 4 ft tree would not get enough light to produce substantial branches..
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What do you mean by "If he had the mums under floros (like some1 like me does) he would eventually run into some problems the way his setup is"?

What problems can you come across from using floros instead of HPS?
 
iloveit

iloveit

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Also do HPS bulbs increase in size according to wattage. In other words are 400w HPS bulbs smaller than 600W & 1000W bulbs?
And exactly how does the increasing wattage help when it comes to HPS bulbs?
 
iloveit

iloveit

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All these questions has made me order a DUAL SPECTRUM HPS BULB (Philips agro 400w) then it hit me...
My mother is under floros, if I place my clones under this dual spectrum 400w hps bulb on 12/12 would I have any problems. As in would the clones be confused because of the slight blue in the hps bulb. I understand clones still grow even if they have skipped veg stage. Will the dual hps stunt the growth?

In case your thinking "what are dual spectrum HPS bulbs" google the following:

400w Sylvania Grolux
400w Philips Agro



 
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