yeah i'm real funny about the seed germing process,if theres any life in that bean i'll resserect it..i use light warrior mostly ,reg loose jiffy mix is good.i mix in a bowl warrior, ro water w/ 2 tsp of kick start seedling nute,olivias seed and cloning nute good to and mix a mud but not too soaked, jus a mud, fill the tray up ,put beans qarter inch deep put lid on and not open it for at least 3-5 days at all,i use a heat mat w/tep. controller set to 80F,99% germ rate and roots in 5 to 6 days on clones....I get a good deal on FF Happy frog,i used to use the ocean forest wen it was heavier bags and used 25% perlite with it , now they diluted it with perlite thierselves at the same price. bs..Happy frog is bigger bags same price.