FOR THE LOVE OF GOD>>>>> PLEASE LET IT BE. It is my birthday week. I swear if I hear 1 thing negative about this, 1 crying/threatening complaint, I'm going completely BITCHY and We will see just how elite it stays.
I'll keep it civil, don't worry.
Homeless has it right. The problem is with the person who provided the faceoff clone, not the genes. Too much drama just to have 3 strains in the catalogue. Too bad dude thinks he owns every strain he's ever passed.
The only problem is if you give your word as a man to do something, HONOR IT. That's it. If more people in this world stood by their word, there would be a whole lot less drama. Real men stand by their word, honor it, respect it, and would rather die than dishonor it. We all choose which side of the fence we'd rather stand on. Where do you stand?
I don't even believe the guy popped seeds of the Faceoff in 2006 or whenever it happened. The cut was around in the late 90's. I think he found the cut and took claim to it. That dude is way too young. He said he was there since the beginning and if you weren't there your cut is fake. He must have been the first commercial grower in the 6th grade. I mean damn, there are a ton of awesome OG's that are just being released that are all from the late 90's and early 2000's. The True OG and the BTY OG are killer, both from the 90's and are just being released to the public. It seems the hoarders are letting go.
Believe your own fantasy world my friend and where everything comes from.
I had dinner with him in LA. I got the real story of the faceoff. He was growing the cut in '98. He told me how it got named that. It was just a dope OG cut that he was rocking. He cleared up a lot of Internet rumors. OGkushman is the real deal. He knows his shit and if he wanted the fame, he would have grabbed it. He was approached for some pretty high profile things and turned them down. He actually asked if you were at the cup nightmare. He wanted to sit down and give you a history lesson. He ended up getting caught up and couldn't make it to the cup.
but it's true, the "faceoff" cut used was found in S1 seeds from the cut OGkushman had and passed to doc. He found the poison, doc found the "faceoff", I think he called it that cause it was close to the original. Pretty sure the original is lost.
He never was growing a "faceoff" cut in the 90's. Cuz there never was such a thing beyond the salesmen giving it that name for sales. The grower never knew nor called it that. Kushman was a middleman for those LB's though and subsequently found the seeds in those LB's. He gifted me those seeds in 05...I cracked em in 06, and that's where the Face/Off #4 Moonshine used came from. The Poison was cracked from an entirely different batch of seeds by OGKushman about a year earlier if I remember correctly..
That's how I understood it. It got dubbed the faceoff, but that's not my story to tell on why or when or by who. I know there are stories that circulate about it. If OGkushman really thought it was important, im sure he'd be on the forums tellin everyone. All I can verify is that the cuts as we know them today are from those seeds cracked in '06.
I'm sure he's around to verify whatever you would like to know. In fact, I just saw him a few days ago. You should hit him up.
Either way, all faceoff genes are retired out of the RD line up, so if you want those, go to Archive seed bank. There doc, I gave you a plug, I'm sure you're readin this...
Thanks.
This is what was told to me. What I do know is this cut has been around since the late 90's. I'm positive the original Faceoff cut survived. There are two cuts of it floating around. The cut I have came from 98. At that time OGKushman was growing for Snoop Doggs crew. Faceoff OG was also mention in one of Snoops songs. Somewhere or somehow the Faceoff cut ended up in Snoop Doggs circle and the cut was passed to very very few people. The Faceoff og was then grown for celebrities in the Los Angeles Music industry during the early 2000's. Then it just disappeared. A few people have had this same cut since 98. OGKushman supplying Snoop's crew with the Faceoff OG back then can be verified by him on one of the ICMag threads. I think Doc's story he told you over dinner is true but the story I just told you is true also. There's no conflicting info here now.
Fiction and Reality, they're two different things. Choose which you would prefer to believe. But I think you've already made your mind up.
Just to clarify...
There never was a "FaceOff OG" to be grown as such. FaceOff OG was a salesman's moniker for a few certain LB's of really nice OG that went around back in the 90's. The original grower never knew, nor called it that. OGKushMan found seeds in those LB's, gave em to me, and I cracked them in 2006, and found the Face/Off OG #4 from seed. Kushman was not growing the cut in the 90's nor did the grower of such herb call it "FaceOff OG". So, if you have an "original" face off OG, then good luck with it, cuz the originaly grower (whom no one knew personally) 15 years ago never called his cut that. So wherever your cut came from is your best guess. FWIW, I've tried a a few samples of the Cdub cut (same as any other OG) and it's definitely not the same as the #4.
The bagseed Poison OG came from completely different LB's of OG than the Face/Off #4. OGKushman popped those seeds in the early 2000's in WA State and found his "clone only" Poison OG. The FaceOff and Poison ARE NOT from the same seed stock. I managed to save a Poison OG clone from around 2005 and subsequently gifted it to Moonshine in 2010.
