RDWC Fucking Sucks

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tibberous

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RDWC Fucking Sucks. (Tube gardens specifically)

Hopefully that saves someone $1,000 and two weeks of work.

Why do they suck? Because you have to have the res temp just perfect to not get root rot, and even then I imagine they are pretty prone to root rot. If you are going to use a big res and one light, then maybe you can get it to work, but anyone doing anything more than fucking around is going to be running several lights and co2 -- and it isn't going to be 65 degrees.

So, if you are going to make a tube / vertical tube garden, just build several big ebb and flow trays.
 
El Superbeasto

El Superbeasto

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They make water chillers for not too expensive. Water doesn't chill itself you know.... You, the indoor grower has to manipulate the temps in order to be in the correct range at times if your ambient temps are not low, or high enough, which you failed to do.

I maintain my temps at all times and enjoy my rdwc setup.

This is just another one of those threads about someone crying about something not working because they do not know how to use it.

Nothing to see here....
 
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tibberous

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El Superbeasto said:
They make water chillers for not too expensive. Water doesn't chill itself you know.... You, the indoor grower has to manipulate the temps in order to be in the correct range at times if your ambient temps are not low, or high enough, which you failed to do.

I maintain my temps at all times and enjoy my rdwc setup.

This is just another one of those threads about someone crying about something not working because they do not know how to use it.

Nothing to see here....
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Doesn't mean the basic idea design isn't stupid. Why build a system that promotes root rot when you could build a system that doesn't? E&F is way, way more solid.
 
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tibberous

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jesus of Cannabis said:
i made a DIY 3 bucket RDWC and love it. Maybe your problem is more user error rather than the equipment.
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Yes, how stupid of me not to assume I'd have to build the system outside and only use it in December. Guess if I was doing CFL's everything would work great.
 
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tibberous

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Samwell Seed Well said:
bennies and the right mircobes will help prevent root rot

user error for sure
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The fact that it CAN work doesn't mean it doesn't suck. If I designed a car that was 3' wide and 20' tall, and mine didn't tip because I drove really careful, my design would still still.

Letting roots sit in water is asking for trouble. A hydro system that you can't run above 80 degrees is retarded. I'm not saying that it isn't possible to do it, I'm saying that there is no reason to when you can build an ebb and flow tray.
 
Samwell Seed Well

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i thinkthe fact it can work does mean it doesnt suck, i have seen 2 lbs plants pulled out of a rdwc under 600's so i am most certainly certain that the rest of teh hydro world know better and more than you, learn dont make excuses , and hydro shoudl never run more than 74, you got the wrong process buddy for your set up

dont start flinging shit around

if you still want to utilize your rez'z make a ebb and flow and remove your rez from the heat in your room walla fixed

ebb and flow, if done right with the right nutrients drip clean being a big one in this idea you can get very good result with a ebb and flow setup
 
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tibberous

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Btw guys, I'm not trying to flame and be an asshole. Spend two weeks building a beautiful, perfectly level, tiered RDWC tube garden (Heath's design, but bigger) Then watch as it eats the roots off of all your beautiful plants.

*Might* be able to turn it into an E&F tube - otherwise $600 gets a recip saw taken too it, my buddy looses about $5,000. Everyone talks about how aero is hard to setup, but no one mentions how bad RDWC can be - if someone had said "Btw, this design is worse for root rot than any other", then we probably would have picked a different design.
 
brokenturtle3102

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Tibberous, I don't think you understand the fact that every single growing method is prone to root rot. EVEN your precious ebb and flow. Soil gets root rot, nft gets root rot, dwc gets root rot, and yes, even rdwc gets root rot. You have to use a waterchiller, or keep your temps below 72 degrees in your room to avoid root rot. Watch, I bet if you start running an ebb and flow in your same room setup, you will get root rot once again. Save yourself some money and pick up a book or two about the botany of roots, or learn from your mistakes. Do not blame an entire method of growing that hundreds of people have success with. It seems to me that you are just not admitting that it was users fault. I hope I am not trolling but just say you fucked up and your next grow will have much more control. Peace.
 
HydroDawg421

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I have an RDWC system and I LOVE it!!! I also found that a 1/10th HP water chiller is the way to go. $350 well spent. This will eliminate the root rot! I have found the RDWC setup to be quite friendly and produces fast growing plants with MASSIVE buds. Get a water chiller and try again. You won't be disappointed!!!
 
somedude247

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tibberous said:
Btw guys, I'm not trying to flame and be an asshole. Spend two weeks building a beautiful, perfectly level, tiered RDWC tube garden (Heath's design, but bigger) Then watch as it eats the roots off of all your beautiful plants.

*Might* be able to turn it into an E&F tube - otherwise $600 gets a recip saw taken too it, my buddy looses about $5,000. Everyone talks about how aero is hard to setup, but no one mentions how bad RDWC can be - if someone had said "Btw, this design is worse for root rot than any other", then we probably would have picked a different design.
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Perfectly level is your problem! The design is to allow the water to fill at the top and flow to the bottom only being slowed down by the baffles. If youre going to use Heaths designs, maybe you should understand more about they work first. If something is eating your roots off, it has to be something youre adding to the water. What do you feed them with?
 
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brokenturtle3102 said:
Tibberous, I don't think you understand the fact that every single growing method is prone to root rot. EVEN your precious ebb and flow. Soil gets root rot, nft gets root rot, dwc gets root rot, and yes, even rdwc gets root rot. You have to use a waterchiller, or keep your temps below 72 degrees in your room to avoid root rot. Watch, I bet if you start running an ebb and flow in your same room setup, you will get root rot once again. Save yourself some money and pick up a book or two about the botany of roots, or learn from your mistakes. Do not blame an entire method of growing that hundreds of people have success with. It seems to me that you are just not admitting that it was users fault. I hope I am not trolling but just say you fucked up and your next grow will have much more control. Peace.
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Same room was used for a soil grow - ranged 85-98 and never gave a problem. I hope E&F does better - I don't know anymore guys. I can't think because I can't sleep and I'm so mad and just want to tear everything apart and start new but it was so much work and looks so damn nice (until you look at the roots =/)
 
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tibberous

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somedude247 said:
Perfectly level is your problem! The design is to allow the water to fill at the top and flow to the bottom only being slowed down by the baffles.
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There is a raised end and lowered end - I meant perfect level in the sense that there aren't any sags or netpots with high / low water levels.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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I think the OP needs to learn how to grow. To start with the concept that you have to have your res temp perfect on else you'll get root rot is pure bollcoks :)
 
golddog

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tibberous said:
Doesn't mean the basic idea design isn't stupid. Why build a system that promotes root rot when you could build a system that doesn't? E&F is way, way more solid.
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I bought a couple of DWC systems from a company in Michigan, a few years ago.

The only drawback was the cooling of the res. I was growing in a garage (in SoCal) and could not control the res temp.

I realize now that it was not right for my situation. I still have a brand new kit in the garage.

I only wish they had said something about the res temp in the ads or instructions, now I know.

Peace :joint::peace:
 
johny1212

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I been doin hydro for a while. Rdwc worked great in the winter for me. Beyond that too much bullshit with chillers and stuff. I am finishing what is probably my last hydro run. Going organic. I spent tons on pumps and all that bullshit when I got started. Organic is cheaper for medium and save power cause no fucking pumps and chillers. I feel your pain man. Look at subcool's stuff in the organics forum. That is where I am headed!
 
somedude247

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johny1212 said:
I been doin hydro for a while. Rdwc worked great in the winter for me. Beyond that too much bullshit with chillers and stuff. I am finishing what is probably my last hydro run. Going organic. I spent tons on pumps and all that bullshit when I got started. Organic is cheaper for medium and save power cause no fucking pumps and chillers. I feel your pain man. Look at subcool's stuff in the organics forum. That is where I am headed!
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Thats what I did a while back. Im even getting better growth with my soil mix than with any brand nutes in hydro! I have the same strain side by side with both. The organic plants look much better. Any form of hydro can be a real pain in the ass.
 
johny1212

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somedude247 said:
Thats what I did a while back. Im even getting better growth with my soil mix than with any brand nutes in hydro! I have the same strain side by side with both. The organic plants look much better. Any form of hydro can be a real pain in the ass.
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Yep, better buds less cost. I spent about $550 per res for good air pumps, water pumps and chillers. I get great growth but fuck... Also I won't have to support AN and all those fools. Just need lights and fans man. Life is good. Oh- E&F you will still need to keep the res cool and learn to deal with rockwool. Another bummer if you ask me;) good luck!
 
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