Ready to Quit over Crap Quality

SpawnOfVader

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I've dialed in things as much as I feel I can, there's not much more that I can naturally think to change the issue I'm having. I can't say it's something I've forgotten vs something that I never learned, bc I've never had stinky plants to know that I'm doing it right.
I've read example after example of the fundamentals, but I still re-read the post you linked, bc who knows what you forget over time. They do say that low rh can help terpine production, so that's interesting, as I have been at the high end of my humidity range.

I see others liking posts, but I don't see any options other than report or reply
You have to post "X" times or get "X" likes before you can like a post. I can't remember the threshold but you'll hit it quick.
 

lazaah

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Just to confirm, while your plants are budding, can you squeeze them and get a fresh skunky smell on your fingers?
 

Rurumo

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How is the potency of your bud? Do you have an issue with both the potency and the flavor? If it's only flavor, you just need to work on curing. Your plants look good, you've got the growing part down. If it's both potency and flavor, you might need to find better genetics and work on your curing.
 

SauronBlue

Active Member
Smell and potency for me. I can smell everything else just fine, and I've had other people confirm no smell, my gf hates the smell of strong cannabis, smells almost nothing in my flower room. I smell the chlorophyll coming off of veg and bloom after lights out. My sniffer works. I can smell them a bit if I hold a growing bud right to my nose or pinch a bud and smell my fingers. Smells great, just weak.
I'm doing my best to ensure my strains aren't the prob, I just got a pack from a local breeder w good reviews, popped them all and the freebie. Gonna pheno hunt, but it'll take a while to tell the results
 

mr. childs

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Smell and potency for me. I can smell everything else just fine, and I've had other people confirm no smell, my gf hates the smell of strong cannabis, smells almost nothing in my flower room. I smell the chlorophyll coming off of veg and bloom after lights out. My sniffer works. I can smell them a bit if I hold a growing bud right to my nose or pinch a bud and smell my fingers. Smells great, just weak.
I'm doing my best to ensure my strains aren't the prob, I just got a pack from a local breeder w good reviews, popped them all and the freebie. Gonna pheno hunt, but it'll take a while to tell the results
maybe use less food, or more soil that has things breaking down in it ? use more epsom salt ? maybe add some rock dust, or something like basalt to the mix ? maybe i missed it but did you mention specific genetics ? maybe the flowers youve been growing are low smell strains meant to not bring the laws, but then again youre legal & licensed. might just need a cooler grow, then a longer dry at a cooler temp, with a dry trim afterwards. please keep working at it though.
 

Joedank

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I've been growing on and off for about 5 of the last 10 years. I've mostly done soil, but I've been switching to coco lately, to try to get out of my rut. I started with 600w MH/HPS combo for veg/flower in a tent. Back then, I had little invested, and my environment was really hot, rh wasn't something I checked. Back then, my buds would turn brown as soon as I dried them. They would dry in a week at most, as all I had was a closet to hang them, no rh control. The bud was absolute crap, but I was working too much to give the grow much attention.
Fast forward to 2 years ago, I decided to take it seriously and learn to grow quality, or just give it up. I inversted in 2 HLG550R full-spectrum LEDs (about $1000 each) to be sure that concern #1- light level, was handled. I've been using GreenLeaf Nutrients 1-part fert as my main food, but I try other lines on a few plants here and there as a comparison, but so far nothing has shown me a big difference, I might try AN next, idk. I've added an 8k a/c, a beast of a dehu, CO2 cycles from 800-1400 about every 2 hours (lowering the a/c setting to increase temps and allow more CO2 to enter stomata also saves enegry and somehow keeps CO2 from dissipating as fast, and raising the rh to further open stomata keeps the dehu from cooking the room, so I like the synergy). I'm using ProMix HP CC with 30# of castings mixed thru the media. I've added terpine boosters- started with Terpenez, now trying signal by TPS. I add recharge for microbial help, but not every week, only at clone to 1g pot, 1g pot to 5g pot, and veg to bloom (and sometimes halfway thru bloom).
Everything LOOKS great now, wonderful veg growth; fat, dense buds, covered in crystals, green foliage until the flush (1-2 weeks with only terp booster and blackstrap molasses- I add a bit of molasses to every watering, to feed the microbes), the buds are sticky and leave just a bit of intoxicating smell on your fingers, but that is the main problem.
My room is full of plants, and it never smells. I do have a can filter with a fan going 24/7, but I should still smell something, and before I added that, there was just as little smell. If I stick my nose to the plant, I can smell it, but not strong at all. I've tried drying in a cabinet I made out of a huge storage tote, then built wooden racks with window screen to hold the buds and an rh controller hooked up to 4 pc fans to vent moist air to outside. When it's staying at about 60% without the fans turning on, I'd switch to 5 gal buckets with lids and boveda packs. recently, I hung up a small harvest in a closet of the grow room with no door, but I covered the top half with a curtain to keep light away, but allow air to circulate. 8 days hanging and then to the boveda bucket. All of my bud, when drying, when curing, whatever, has almost no smell, and what there is is just hay. Always. I've tried different strains, and I really love how this cheeselicious forms nice tight buds with white/popcorn yellow pistils, while purple diesel daze is a bigger, but fluffier bud. No matter what I do, I'm left with no smell and a quality that only my mom and her friends seem to prefer, but I want something to knock my head back, not relax with old ladies.
I'm growing with permission/ licensing from the state, but it's a constant stress if my landlord will find out and get pissed. If I can't get the quality I want, it's just not worth the stress and utility bills, but I love MJ and love growing it, so I'd rather make it work than give up.
What am I doing wrong? Why does everyone else seem to get this so easily, while I struggle so much? I know others who are putting WAY less time and money into this, and seems to have way better results, meanwhile I'm scouring the web, watching hours and hours of weedtube vids, anything to get my skills up. Please help!!

PS. note on the pics: You can see the difference in the cheese vs purple, as the cheese are tighter buds and the diesel is puffier. The brown water in the pic with the can fan is because I just watered with molasses in the water. I clean up the water before lights out every day, I just didn't feel like taking a new pic for that. I changed some pic around to put the foxtailing cheese at the end. I think it's because I increased the co2 level and the heat/humidity after about 4 weeks of the 10 weeks I plan on for this grow, and I think the girl is getting so much more out of it that she went into foxtailing with the boost.

PPS. I'm planning to dry in the flower room closet, using a hanging rack. I'll keep the humidity in the room to 60% for the time that the buds are drying(then heat and humidity up to get the co2 boost), then I ordered turkey bags to use with boveda, all inside 5 gal buckets for the cure. But if I hardly smell anything before the chop, how much can my cure possibly bring back, even if I do it perfectly?
what genetics from where (seedbank ? Friend?)
I would change to known stinky genetics . Are you using ozone or foliar in flower?
 

SauronBlue

Active Member
Right now I'm flowering Cheeselicious and Purple Diesel Daze by Europa seeds from attitude seedbank. I've used various seeds from different breeders, mostly from attitude or bagseed. I just popped 13 (of 14) seeds from a local breeder that were recommended to me for their quality, and I got 2 clones from a friend who swears they are the killer sour diesel. The 2 clones were lousy with powdery mildew, but I wanted to try to salvage the genetics, so I wiped every leaf down with a mix of H2O2 and water. The mold managed to get on a few of my veg plants (and it was not what I expected. I thought it would jump from leaf to leaf, indiscriminately, but instead it seemed to infect a whole plant, then move to the next. Plants near the clones started showing dots of dust on the leaves, but leaves of other plants that were touching the infected plants were fine. Hopefully they stay that way.), which I threw out quickly and carefully. The clones themselves looked PISSED the next day, all wilted and yellowing, but no powder. In the past few days, they've stood back up, but are still a bit worse for wear, I'll see if they pull thru.
I decided to harvest this crop at 8 weeks, rather than stretch to 10 in search of better quality. I've already grown these 2 strains out to 10 weeks, and they didn't wow me with potency, so I figure I'm not missing much. Also, I was using a self-made drying chamber to dry the buds, but I need to trim all the buds off the plants to get them in the bin/racks, and I want to hang the whole plants this time, to take the advice of dry trimming (I hate dry trimming. it's a pain to cut the dry leaves off[compared to the fresh leaves sticking straight out and not crumbly dry], you knock off more trichs messing w the dried buds, and ur trim is for shit- no quality bubble hash from that dried out crap), but the only place that I can house this amount of plants and control the temp/humidity, other than my dry chamber is in the flower room. So, my next crop will have to wait a week, and I'll stretch lines across the room to hang them where they are.

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Dirty Little Girls

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After Some TLC

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Coming Around...

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All Hopes Lie With The Next Generation


And Then There Was Bud Porn...
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SauronBlue

Active Member
My quest to find the stink has yielded great results. I'm about a week of dry and a week of cure in, and the smells from each variety are really great! The Cheese has a delicious fruity smell, and the Purple Diesel has a sinister, skunky smell. I'm not sure what of all the different changes added to that, but it's really a night and day change. I personally think the watering had a good deal to play in the improvement, but the longer/stronger use of terp booster and dry trimming can't be counted out, either. I'll be trying multiple drying techniques at this harvest, as a test, but I'll continue watering less often with plenty of terp boost.
After hanging for 6-8 days in about 65°/65%, I trimmed and put the buds into turkey bags with hygrometers. The bags all started around 60%, and climbed up past 65% the first couple days. Depending on the rH of the bag, each day I either dump it out into a tray for a while, or just open the bag and move the buds around a bit.
The smell at chop was the same as always, the smell while hanging was mixed, with lots of grass smell, but a hint of goodness when sniffed up close. Once they were actually trimmed is when the stink came out, so it may have a lot to do with the dry trim (I just really hope that isn't it LOL). Even some buds that sat out all night after trimming still had the great smell, it hadn't worn off from time or getting more dry. As I open the bags each day to "burp", they continue to have the good smell.
It's still early, but I couldn't help but try to smoke a bit of each. They both had trouble grinding up fully, as they are still moist inside, especially the Purple. The Cheese, being drier, was smoother at first, but not great to finish a bowl. It started off with some of the fruity flavor that it smells like, but I think it just needs more time to even out and finish. The Purp was more moist, and not great on the back of the throat. I've gotta be able to smoke comfortably to give a good review of the effect, but I could feel enough from the Cheese to be fairly sure that it'll give a nice buzz.

If my testing proves that hanging with leaves intact is the key, I'll have to use my flower room for an extra week after harvest
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I just hate how hard it is to get in around each bud after the leaves have dried and curled up
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I killed my butt and back for 2 days straight, sitting at a table trimming, before I decided to take mobile it to the couch
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All bagged up for curing
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The Purple is so sticky, still holds it's shape when I dump it out
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All spread out to get some air
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2 Cheese closeups
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2 Purple closeups
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SauronBlue

Active Member
I decided to go back and get the breeder info on all the varieties I have, just in case I want to check what I should be looking for, and got a great surprise! I looked at the page for my cheese, which I had been scratching my head as to why it had a fruity smell, rather than a savory one that I'd expect to be called cheese. I thought maybe it was from the terp boosters adding their own smell, and overriding the natural one. When I looked at the growers page, the bud looks like mine, and the smell is exactly what they say to expect. I took this as a huge reassurance, because I had to do something right to get the result to match the breeder's description. I really can't wait to try this bud when it's cured fully. I also have a renewed enthusiasm to try out some of the seeds that I have lying around, because the descriptions sound amazing!
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Rayann74

Member
How do you go about getting temps lower in tent? Because I have this problem! It’s freakin hot as hell in there and I have 4 fins with carbon filter exhaust fan?
 
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