Reagan was the worst President ever

ChesusRice · Jul 15, 2012

Rob Roy said:
If people are free, then they have the ability to associate or disassociate based on their preferences. If people are not free this ability is inhibited. (que star spangled banner)

The construct of a "country" that purports to support freedom while also inhibiting (sic) it is a contradiction.

As far as starting yor own country....go for it....no wait...this "free country" won't allow it. Darn!

Let me know when you get rich enough to buy an island
and start your own country

I dont want to live there or anything
I just want to watch and laugh as anarchy will surely make it a free for all
Although My guess is you will become a tyrant in a short time or risk losing the island you bought to the "free" inhabitants

Rob Roy · Jul 17, 2012

ChesusRice said:
Let me know when you get rich enough to buy an island
and start your own country

I dont want to live there or anything
I just want to watch and laugh as anarchy will surely make it a free for all
Although My guess is you will become a tyrant in a short time or risk losing the island you bought to the "free" inhabitants

You miscast things a bit and avoid engaging in the deeper contradictions.

A "free country" would consist of a population of free individuals would it not? Freedom comes down to inividual choice and individual responsibilty for ones actions.

I'm merely pointing out that a person is not free in the UNITED STATES, I'm curious if you agree or not ? If you think people ARE free in the United States surely you'd have no problem with people who leave others alone acting within that "freedom" and inacting a personal secession ? If you think people ARE NOT free, why would you ridicule a person attempting to gain freedom ?

My point is best summed in a quote by a long dead guy....it goes something like this..."none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

Also, I'm afraid your definition of anarchy is a bit skewed from mine. For the record I prefer "voluntaryist" .

Start my own country on an island ? hmmm....all land masses on this planet are islands aren't they? it's really just a matter of scale...sort of like freedom and the way it is perceived. Peace.

ChesusRice · Jul 17, 2012

Move to Somalia rob

With their small goverment

You can be free

Go for it

Rob Roy · Jul 17, 2012

ChesusRice said:
Move to Somalia rob

With their small goverment

You can be free

Go for it

That has nothing to do with answering my questions or enagaging in discourse. Perhaps you are unable to coherently respond and feel more comfortable diverting rather than addressing things? Why would I want to move somewhere? Can't a person be 'free" here ?

Dr Kynes · Jul 17, 2012

Rob Roy said:
That has nothing to do with answering my questions or enagaging in discourse. Perhaps you are unable to coherently respond and feel more comfortable diverting rather than addressing things? Why would I want to move somewhere? Can't a person be 'free" here ?

Your definition of "freedom" is very different from the rest of the world's

if everybody gets to make up their own ideals of freedom and force us all to accept it then heres what you get:

Jeffrey dahmer's freedom to kill and eat people
phil garrido's freedom to keep a harem of kidnapped lolis in his back yard for 20 years
chris brown's freedom to express his displeasure with a bitch's words with his fists
bill clinton's freedom to redefine what the word "IS" means
charlie wrangle's freedom to be a haitian slum lord
mike tyson's freedom to "box" with his gnashing teeth
a redneck's freedom to drag a dude to death behind his truck

the entire goal of rights and freedoms within a civilized framework is to ensure that nobody infringes on another's freedoms with their own. in your fantasyland only you have freedoms, everyone else has privileges that you can take away at your whim.

Canna Sylvan · Jul 17, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
Your definition of "freedom" is very different from the rest of the world's

if everybody gets to make up their own ideals of freedom and force us all to accept it then heres what you get:

Jeffrey dahmer's freedom to kill and eat people
phil garrido's freedom to keep a harem of kidnapped lolis in his back yard for 20 years
chris brown's freedom to express his displeasure with a bitch's words with his fists
bill clinton's freedom to redefine what the word "IS" means
charlie wrangle's freedom to be a haitian slum lord
mike tyson's freedom to "box" with his gnashing teeth
a redneck's freedom to drag a dude to death behind his truck

the entire goal of rights and freedoms within a civilized framework is to ensure that nobody infringes on another's freedoms with their own. in your fantasyland only you have freedoms, everyone else has privileges that you can take away at your whim.

A hypodermic needle according to the DEA is terrorist weapon forcing heroine, freebase crack and meth on the populace. Here all this time I thought it was just a thin sharp piece of metal with a hole in the middle, that can be traded the same as a spork. I'm sure glad entities like the DEA exist and are protecting my freedom. Otherwise imagine the horror of having three to four times less HIV cases in the smack community. Can't have that. Freedom now!

Rob Roy · Jul 17, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
Your definition of "freedom" is very different from the rest of the world's

if everybody gets to make up their own ideals of freedom and force us all to accept it then heres what you get:

Jeffrey dahmer's freedom to kill and eat people
phil garrido's freedom to keep a harem of kidnapped lolis in his back yard for 20 years
chris brown's freedom to express his displeasure with a bitch's words with his fists
bill clinton's freedom to redefine what the word "IS" means
charlie wrangle's freedom to be a haitian slum lord
mike tyson's freedom to "box" with his gnashing teeth
a redneck's freedom to drag a dude to death behind his truck

the entire goal of rights and freedoms within a civilized framework is to ensure that nobody infringes on another's freedoms with their own. in your fantasyland only you have freedoms, everyone else has privileges that you can take away at your whim.

I think you've miscast my definitions and attempted to reframe my thoughts. How 'bout cutting that out please? I am an advocate of the non-initation of aggression principle. The exmples you give above have nothing to do with MY thoughts or ideas. I'm not sure that you understand my philosophy. So I'll ask you to reconsider your post as YOUR thoughts of what MY thoughts are.

I suggest you do some reading and LISTEN to what others say rather than trying so hard to be an internet genius and/or badass. I don't mean that confrontationally either by the way.

The first line of your last paragraph makes sense the last line is either misunderstanding on your part or a lack of comprehension of where I'm coming from.

Have you any familiarity with the non aggression principle ? ...your examples of where I'm coming from above make no sense and have nothing to do with my thoughts, actions or words.

Dr Kynes · Jul 17, 2012

Rob Roy said:
I think you've miscast my definitions and attempted to reframe my thoughts. How 'bout cutting that out please? I am an advocate of the non-initation of aggression principle. The exmples you give above have nothing to do with MY thoughts or ideas. I'm not sure that you understand my philosophy. So I'll ask you to reconsider your post as YOUR thoughts of what MY thoughts are.

I suggest you do some reading and LISTEN to what others say rather than trying so hard to be an internet genius and/or badass. I don't mean that confrontationally either by the way.

The first line of your last paragraph makes sense the last line is either misunderstanding on your part or a lack of comprehension of where I'm coming from.

Have you any familiarity with the non aggression principle ? ...your examples of where I'm coming from above make no sense and have nothing to do with my thoughts, actions or words.

trotting out your silly "principle" is a cunard.

it means nothing. the overreach of federal state and local law restricting our constitutionally protected rights is a problem that will not be solved by assholes with megaphones shouting "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!" into the faces of any who disagree. and thats exactly what you have espoused. whats next? you gonna close your eyes and start kicking and walking towards me so ill assault myself on your boot? welcome to the playground circa 1979.

you demand the absolute freedom from all restrictions, and all taxes as part of your "freedom", then when you want something, everybody else is obligated to give you what you desire because of your "freedom" to demand anything you want. that's not freedom that's petulance.

if you dont pay taxes the government has every right to "initiate aggression" against you for being a deadbeat, a moocher and a drag on society. Likewise i have every right to "initiate aggression" on the harmless innocent fellow who robs my house. Or do you propose I can rob your house to my heart's contentment because after all, "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"

society is a mutual agreement whereby each party surrenders a little of their absolute liberty and "real freedom" to gain the security and assistance of a social group. all social animals do this. the solitary shark does not have to share his prey, but the pack hunting wolf or chimpanzee does. perhaps in your fantasy world society is more like a school of feeding pirranhas, where every fish snaps blindly at anything in reach, fully exercising their "freedom" to be mindless eating machines.

to be part of a society, a village or even a family you must give up your desire to strut around nude, piss in the livingroom, or save your feces in jars. if you absolutely HAVE to play drums in the middle of the night, move out to the country where nobody else has to suffer for your "freedom" to be an insufferable asshole.

accept the responsibility of living in a society, or live in the woods or deep desert. either way, be less of a tool.

Dr Kynes · Jul 17, 2012

Canna Sylvan said:
A hypodermic needle according to the DEA is terrorist weapon forcing heroine, freebase crack and meth on the populace. Here all this time I thought it was just a thin sharp piece of metal with a hole in the middle, that can be traded the same as a spork. I'm sure glad entities like the DEA exist and are protecting my freedom. Otherwise imagine the horror of having three to four times less HIV cases in the smack community. Can't have that. Freedom now!

the DEA is a wacky unconstitutional bunch of needledicked cock munchers. they love to throw out retarded statements, ridiculous claims, and foolish propaganda. if i have to denounce or defend every buffleheaded excretion from the DEA then ill have to quit my job and become a huffpo blogger.

i like our constitution, anything that undeermines it, exceeds the authority granted by it, or infringes on rights protected by is is illegal, useless or most likely a criminal conspiracy. (the DEA is all three).

if your gonna reducto ad absurdum, at least put some effort into it. compare me to a nazi who throws jews into the oven for the greater good, or an italian ship captain who is the first in a lifeboat so he can "monitor the evacuation" from shore.

that woulda been sweet.

ChesusRice · Jul 17, 2012

Rob Roy said:
That has nothing to do with answering my questions or enagaging in discourse. Perhaps you are unable to coherently respond and feel more comfortable diverting rather than addressing things? Why would I want to move somewhere? Can't a person be 'free" here ?

You are free
Free to vote for a person who shares the same views as you

Try that in Somalia
YOu dont feel free enough?
Then work to change it
Or move someplace else and quit your bitching if you think you have it so bad

Canna Sylvan · Jul 17, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
the DEA is a wacky unconstitutional bunch of needledicked cock munchers. they love to throw out retarded statements, ridiculous claims, and foolish propaganda. if i have to denounce or defend every buffleheaded excretion from the DEA then ill have to quit my job and become a huffpo blogger.

i like our constitution, anything that undeermines it, exceeds the authority granted by it, or infringes on rights protected by is is illegal, useless or most likely a criminal conspiracy. (the DEA is all three).

if your gonna reducto ad absurdum, at least put some effort into it. compare me to a nazi who throws jews into the oven for the greater good, or an italian ship captain who is the first in a lifeboat so he can "monitor the evacuation" from shore.

that woulda been sweet.

I knew I couldn't believe that whole L Ron Hubbard claim. I just want to know if you really met deprave, Michael Moore.

ginjawarrior · Jul 17, 2012

Canna Sylvan said:
A hypodermic needle according to the DEA is terrorist weapon forcing heroine, freebase crack and meth on the populace. Here all this time I thought it was just a thin sharp piece of metal with a hole in the middle, that can be traded the same as a spork. I'm sure glad entities like the DEA exist and are protecting my freedom. Otherwise imagine the horror of having three to four times less HIV cases in the smack community. Can't have that. Freedom now!

Do you not have needle exchanges there? Most pharmacies here offer that service and it's paid by the nhs. (cheap for the price IMO) but as its an evil government program I don't think you guys would like it

Ps I'm 99% sure freebase is insoluble so you can't shoot that shit up

ChesusRice · Jul 17, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
Do you not have needle exchanges there? Most pharmacies here offer that service and it's paid by the nhs. (cheap for the price IMO) but as its an evil government program I don't think you guys would like it

Ps I'm 99% sure freebase is insoluble so you can't shoot that shit up

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2011/december/21/needle-exchange-federal-funding.aspx
Democrats successfully removed a number of Republican policy riders and restrictions. But, the exchange ban on syringes and needles backed by Republicans remained in the final deal. House Republican leaders did not respond to requests for comment about the issue.

And you can shoot freebase
Use vinegar instead of water

ChesusRice · Jul 17, 2012

[h=2]Obama to Lift Ban on Needle Exchanges[/h]April 29th, 2010 admin Posted in obama health system | Comments Off

While reformers are far from pleased with the initial rollout of President Obama’s drug policy agenda, treatment activists can at least point to a significant change in the federal stance on clean needle exchange programs. Unlike former President Bush, who supported a ban on federal funding of such public health programs, Obama’s agenda, as spelled out at Whitehouse.gov, calls for rescinding the ban in an effort to save lives by reducing the transmission of HIV/AIDS. “The President,” according to the agenda, “supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users.”
Opponents of needle exchange say the effort is similar to the medical marijuana movement—a stealth strategy for the legalization of drugs. However, as I wrote in an earlier post, the administration’s support of needle exchange is a timely recognition that cities like Vancouver and San Francisco are already experimenting with the notion of safe drug injection sites. (Part of the argument in favor of such sites is the opportunity for clean needle exchanges.)
Under the heading “Civil Rights,” the White House web site has also signaled support for the expanded use of drug courts to allow non-violent offenders into “the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.” The agenda also calls for the reduction of sentencing inequities (“President Obama and Vice President Biden believe the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine is wrong and should be completely eliminated

http://www.obama-health-care.org/obama-health-system/obama-to-lift-ban-on-needle-exchanges

ginjawarrior · Jul 17, 2012

ChesusRice said:
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2011/december/21/needle-exchange-federal-funding.aspx
Democrats successfully removed a number of Republican policy riders and restrictions. But, the exchange ban on syringes and needles backed by Republicans remained in the final deal. House Republican leaders did not respond to requests for comment about the issue.

And you can shoot freebase
Use vinegar instead of water

LOL it had never crossed my mind that people would shoot up vinegar, but I've read about krocodill so I shouldn't be suprised

ChesusRice · Jul 17, 2012

ginjawarrior said:
LOL it had never crossed my mind that people would shoot up vinegar, but I've read about krocodill so I shouldn't be suprised

Had to google it
WTF!!!!!!

people that shoot coke
Will shoot Crack when they cant get powder
No harmful side effects
Unless you count infections from the vinegar bottle

Dr Kynes · Jul 17, 2012

ChesusRice said:
Had to google it
WTF!!!!!!

people that shoot coke
Will shoot Crack when they cant get powder
No harmful side effects
Unless you count infections from the vinegar bottle

learn somethin new everyday. my mind boggles that somebody would shoot up smokeable cocaine. crack costs shitloads more per useable gram of coke. i guess fiscal irresponsibility knows no bounds these days. i blame oibama.

and that rat tony montana.

[video=youtube;GI6CfKcMhjY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY&feature=fvwrel[/video]

abandonconflict · Jul 17, 2012

Rob Roy said:
You miscast things a bit and avoid engaging in the deeper contradictions.

A "free country" would consist of a population of free individuals would it not? Freedom comes down to inividual choice and individual responsibilty for ones actions.

I'm merely pointing out that a person is not free in the UNITED STATES, I'm curious if you agree or not ? If you think people ARE free in the United States surely you'd have no problem with people who leave others alone acting within that "freedom" and inacting a personal secession ? If you think people ARE NOT free, why would you ridicule a person attempting to gain freedom ?

My point is best summed in a quote by a long dead guy....it goes something like this..."none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

Also, I'm afraid your definition of anarchy is a bit skewed from mine. For the record I prefer "voluntaryist" .

Start my own country on an island ? hmmm....all land masses on this planet are islands aren't they? it's really just a matter of scale...sort of like freedom and the way it is perceived. Peace.

If you don't like Amercia gtfo...

Rob Roy · Jul 18, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
trotting out your silly "principle" is a cunard.

it means nothing. the overreach of federal state and local law restricting our constitutionally protected rights is a problem that will not be solved by assholes with megaphones shouting "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!" into the faces of any who disagree. and thats exactly what you have espoused. whats next? you gonna close your eyes and start kicking and walking towards me so ill assault myself on your boot? welcome to the playground circa 1979.

you demand the absolute freedom from all restrictions, and all taxes as part of your "freedom", then when you want something, everybody else is obligated to give you what you desire because of your "freedom" to demand anything you want. that's not freedom that's petulance.

if you dont pay taxes the government has every right to "initiate aggression" against you for being a deadbeat, a moocher and a drag on society. Likewise i have every right to "initiate aggression" on the harmless innocent fellow who robs my house. Or do you propose I can rob your house to my heart's contentment because after all, "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!"

society is a mutual agreement whereby each party surrenders a little of their absolute liberty and "real freedom" to gain the security and assistance of a social group. all social animals do this. the solitary shark does not have to share his prey, but the pack hunting wolf or chimpanzee does. perhaps in your fantasy world society is more like a school of feeding pirranhas, where every fish snaps blindly at anything in reach, fully exercising their "freedom" to be mindless eating machines.

to be part of a society, a village or even a family you must give up your desire to strut around nude, piss in the livingroom, or save your feces in jars. if you absolutely HAVE to play drums in the middle of the night, move out to the country where nobody else has to suffer for your "freedom" to be an insufferable asshole.

accept the responsibility of living in a society, or live in the woods or deep desert. either way, be less of a tool.

Again you argue against thin air and make claims about me that do not exist. I never claimed I wanted to have others pay for things I use. Tools? Saving feces in a jar ? What does that have to do with this discussion ?

To be part of a society, it is simple, I believe we simply need not initiate aggression and that we have a natural right to defend ourselves and/or seek restitution. By the way if you keep feces in a jar that's your business...but it's a little weird....why don't you just compost it?

Dr Kynes · Jul 18, 2012

Rob Roy said:
Again you argue against thin air and make claims about me that do not exist. I never claimed I wanted to have others pay for things I use. Tools? Saving feces in a jar ? What does that have to do with this discussion ?

To be part of a society, it is simple, I believe we simply need not initiate aggression and that we have a natural right to defend ourselves and/or seek restitution. By the way if you keep feces in a jar that's your business...but it's a little weird....why don't you just compost it?

ok i guess ill have to break it down even further for you.

if you are a member of a society (example, a shared apartment with several other persons), and the society as a whole prefers you NOT engage in a particular behavior (like playing drums at 3 am) then you must either refrain from engaging in that behavior, or take your shit someplace else.

in america you have the right to express your disapproval and seek to change the laws but you do NOT have the right to insist that others bow to your selfdeclared "freedom" to refuse participation in a tax because you oppose what the tax funds. I dont like the DEA, the DEA is funded by my taxes. i cannot refuse to pay any taxes on the grounds that the DEA is a bunch of dicks.

you may hate your local cops, this does not mean you get to refuse to pay local sales taxes.

you may hate children, this does not mean you get to refuse to pay property taxes because you aint got no kids in school.

you may hate books and learning but this does not mean you can reject the local recycling agency's monthly fee to support the library.

is this making sense to you? living in a society requires that yoiu give up a few things for the good of the society in general, if what they ask you to give up is not acceptable, change the laws or move to a distant unclaimed piece of dirt and establish a new society based on your personal gri-gris. have fun living in a mud hut in the sudan.

protip: google "terra nullis" for the location of your new anarcho-starvationalist society of one.

Reagan was the worst President ever

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