Unclebaldrick
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And yet you just asked the question in your last post.
Recall Gavin Newsom.
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Grandpapy
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The two were a San Francisco power couple during their 2001–2005 marriage, while he served as mayor and she acted as Assistant District Attorney.
https://www.kqed.org/arts/13885405/kimberly-guilfoyle-used-to-be-married-to-gavin-newsom-and-twitter-has-feelings
Unclebaldrick
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Sorry if I am not knee jerk disagreeing with Trumpers for the sake of it. If I walk into a room with a stopped clock that says it is 2:00 and it actually is 2:00, I'm not going to say its 3:00.
It doesn't mean I think the clock works.
It doesn't mean I think the clock works.
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Unclebaldrick
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I respect your choice. This pandemic is one of the most serious threats in recent memory. I consider his lack of judgment in the face of it to be far worse than anything Al Franken did.
His blithe and hypocritical actions gave about 70 million Trump voters a darn good reason to discount the severity of the pandemic which has endangered us all.
Fine, I was wrong, he shouldn't be recalled. He should have had the class to resign.
Its one thing to not wear a mask. Its quite another to ask others to do so and make sacrifices that effect their lives as a governor and then do eactly the opposite. The Democrats aren't going to succeed by being the other side of the coin as the do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do Republicans. They will only succeed by having the integrity and strength of their convictions to show the American people that they actually deserve to lead.
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hanimmal
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Did they report on if everyone was tested? I really tend to ignore the noise like this when it was being reported so didn't see if they said anything about if they were being safe while dining or not.
I agree with the providing a example, but maybe he was being safe even if the optics were shit.
what are you talking about?
TacoMac
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From the outside looking in, Gavin Newsome started off doing a great job. In my humble opinion, he simply caved to big business and started letting things open up again too soon.
But seriously, pretty much the entire nation is guilty of that.
As for going out to eat, I can't understand why anybody would do that, especially a man in his position. He's the governor for crying out loud. He lives in the governors mansion. He could easily have eaten in and invited select people over.
What the hell was he thinking going out to eat in the middle of a pandemic regardless of where it was?
But seriously, pretty much the entire nation is guilty of that.
As for going out to eat, I can't understand why anybody would do that, especially a man in his position. He's the governor for crying out loud. He lives in the governors mansion. He could easily have eaten in and invited select people over.
What the hell was he thinking going out to eat in the middle of a pandemic regardless of where it was?
omg..she's an attorney? figures.
DIY-HP-LED
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I believe some of the others at the diner were top CA public health officials! Other countries including mine have had similar incidents, we recently had a travel scandal with government ministers going south for fun in the sun while preaching the opposite. Hypocrisy happens, but you need to put his performance into a larger context, has his management of the covid crises been average or below? His choice of marriage partners has me wondering about his judgement though!
Unclebaldrick
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Well he told the press that their dinner party was outdoors. That alone suggests that he knew he had something to hide. Otherwise he would have provided real details on what he was doing to be safe. But @rollitup assures me that "The Governor went to a restaurant to eat, and some other people joined him." Am I supposed to believe that they then had an at-length discussion about the protocols that each group had followed? What was he supposed to do, leave? No, if this was true, he should have made a tiny sacrifice and shown leadership and said something like "I would love for you to join us, but there is a pandemic raging and I think it would be safest, and set a good example if we did not combine our tables at this time." But I don't believe that thiss was the case and I am not going to just accept the word of a politician whose views I like just because he's on my side. That is what Trumpism is about.
I don't buy the excuse, it does not ring true. Look, I understand, the French Laundry is supposed to be amazing. I would love to go there. I would love to have the connections to get a reservation and the money to afford to eat there and drop $12,000 on wine without breaking the bank. If I did have a reservation, I would be hesitant to break it because of the pandemic. But I am not the governor of the largest state in the union. I am not asking people to forego the daily pleasures we ALL want to get back to. My going to eat there during a pandemic isn't going to get people to take pictures of me that end up splashed across the front pages and it isn't going to make my entire political party look like a bunch of elitist assholes and play right into the hands of a piece of shit like Donald Trump. My dining there isn't going to give millions of idiots ammunition to say "the pandemic is political!".
doublejj
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Comparing Gavin's blithe and hypocritical actions to trump, i doubt Gavin had much influence on the trumplicons......I would re-elect Newsome 100 times over any republican.
what is this really about? did something happen at work? you seem pretty upset for this persons faux pas. you're right, he shouldn't have..again, so what's this really all about?
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Unclebaldrick
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So would I. I do not believe I made that comparison.
How many right wing talk shows and podcasts citing his actions as hypocritical and cited as proof that Democrats are elitists that want to control America rather than fight the pandemic do I need to find to get you to reconsider how much it influenced the non-mask wearing deplorables? A few months ago, three of my coworkers brought it up when I instructed them to "put on their goddamn masks".
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Unclebaldrick
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I don't like to criticize allies while we are at war. Consider this a sign that I feel confident enough about the future to speak honestly about our own side's shortcomings.
Its going to be a long haul and if we start acting like the person in question, we are going to be out of power in Congress in 2022 and Biden won't have a prayer to change anything. We need to show leadership and resolve to walk the walk.
I do regret the thread title. Perhaps I over-reacted. Gavin Newsom should no be recalled - he should have resigned in November.
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hanimmal
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I do think it would be worth pointing out that this place is not the local TGI Fridays and that it might not be just crossing their fingers and hoping their customers don't die.
I don't know shit about this place. But I do think that a conversation can be had about this and still maintain the nuance about how opening our economy can be done, but it also must be done as safe as possible. Im ok with saying screw Gavin, I have no ability to vote for the guy anyway.
I also think this conversation could be similar to opening schools being wanted by both Trump and Biden. Just because the end goal is the same it doesn't mean that one is not done a lot more thoughtfully. Same with this idiot eating out and the super spreader events in Tampa Bay last night.
Unclebaldrick
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But, come to think of it, I might be a little testy right now. For the entire weekend, the water pipes have been making a sound that varies between a foghorn, the sound you hear if you overbid on The Price is Right and the sound made by the alien machines in the latest War of the Worlds film. Saturday it was happening about every 15 minutes. It has progressed to happening every five seconds - all day - all night. It is a low frequency noise that penetrates the whole house and shakes the pictures on the wall.
After a day on the phone with various people, It turns out that there is probably something stuck in the regulator. What the fuck is a regulator in this context anyway? Regardless, they are fixing it tomorrow otherwise I would be checking into the Four Seasons Total Lawn Care.
I still think it was an unbelievably stupid thing for him to do, and that, in conjunction with his association with the R. Crumbesque monster, Kimberley Guilfoyle makes me really question his fitness and judgement.
Unclebaldrick
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The quality of the restaurant is not relevant. It was fifteen people without masks in a crowded room running up a $20,000 dinner bill while the local greasy spoon was limited to outdoor seating.
Worst
Optics
Ever.