Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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st0wandgrow said:
I haven't. I considered it and was told that it *may* contain asbestos so I took a pass. Not sure if the garden grade is any different though???

http://www2.epa.gov/asbestos/protect-your-family-asbestos-contaminated-vermiculite-insulation
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I think it contains a carcinogen, like most natural rocks, but I don't think it has asbestos. Don't KNOW that for a fact, but it's just puffed volcanic rock? Right?
Maybe the insulation stuff has a flame retardant added?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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greasemonkeymann said:
I think it contains a carcinogen, like most natural rocks, but I don't think it has asbestos. Don't KNOW that for a fact, but it's just puffed volcanic rock? Right?
Maybe the insulation stuff has a flame retardant added?
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From the link I posted .......

"A mine near Libby, Montana, was the source of over 70 percent of all vermiculite sold in the United States from 1919 to 1990. There was also a deposit of asbestos at that mine, so the vermiculite from Libby was contaminated with asbestos."


Could be fine now, but with all of the other options I felt it was an unnecessary risk.
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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st0wandgrow said:
From the link I posted .......

"A mine near Libby, Montana, was the source of over 70 percent of all vermiculite sold in the United States from 1919 to 1990. There was also a deposit of asbestos at that mine, so the vermiculite from Libby was contaminated with asbestos."


Could be fine now, but with all of the other options I felt it was an unnecessary risk.
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I too haave heard about asbestos. But i also heard vermiculite is safe to use in gardens, thats why i said garden saafe. I just came back from HD and right next to the perlite for 9.99, there was vermiculite for 18.99$ huge price diffrence.

Idk how but i ended up with a shit ton of vermiculite from my job that was sitting in a warehouse, i will be experimenting with a clone and a new baatch of soil.
 
foreverflyhi

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Ok so first thing is first, i want to use what i got, so i have decided to use all my vermiculite, i read from a couple different articles to drench the vermiculite and becareful not to inhale it.

I also hve a shit ton of timothy hay for the rabbit, i set aside half for my one rabbit, and will use the other half for mulch, from my understanding, hay is for animal feed, which consist of the leaf flower and seed, straw is just the bone stalk of whatever plant?
I read hay can have problems with weeds but still works for mulching, what u guys think? Should i use it? Would save me some money? Plus i waant to use what i got.
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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foreverflyhi said:
Ok so first thing is first, i want to use what i got, so i have decided to use all my vermiculite, i read from a couple different articles to drench the vermiculite and becareful not to inhale it.

I also hve a shit ton of timothy hay for the rabbit, i set aside half for my one rabbit, and will use the other half for mulch, from my understanding, hay is for animal feed, which consist of the leaf flower and seed, straw is just the bone stalk of whatever plant?
I read hay can have problems with weeds but still works for mulching, what u guys think? Should i use it? Would save me some money? Plus i waant to use what i got.
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I've been looking for materials to thermal compost, and I had the same question about hay vs straw. What I found is what you said, one has seeds, one doesn't (please speak up if there are other differences I'm not aware of). I'm hoping to thermal compost mine to kill the weed seeds, but I'm not really sure how worried I am about some hay seeds coming up?

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a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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Straw is a bedding, low nutritional content and it drains well.

Hay is dried grasses and stuff, higher in N I'm sure and yes it has seeds. Those seeds are just grass, so that'd be what would be growing.

I would use hay, for the nutrition and I think it'd break down better/easier than straw would, just because of the inherent composition of straw.

I grew up on a horse farm, finally a question I can answer!
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Here is a 9lb hammer in straight coco nothing else. No perlite or anything. its the cocomor from Inda Gro. It seems to have very good cec. I watered 3 days ago and it still has a lot of moisture and with good aeration. all plants were watered with a compost tea 3 days ago. The all coco plant has more moisture than the peat / coco plants. Both plants in the picture are both 9lb hammer.

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I will be topdressing with nutes and vc next watering.

I'm going to try cloning in this coco today too. I took cuttings last night. So far I like this coco.
 
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OutofLEDCloset

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I have a 2cu/ft happy frog bag. that I want to get rid of, going to try the ROLS for first time. If I use the CC nutrient pack from BAS plus EWC. Can the happy frog be reused if top dressed with compost after first harvest?

BTW going to use a 2x4 plastic try. approx. 20 gallons total.
 
foreverflyhi

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Mohican said:
Hey hyroot - you might want to throw some EWC on that coco to give her some quick cal mag. What are you feeding her?
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Agree, shes has that look where numerous deficiancies are about to occur..
OutofLEDCloset said:
I have a 2cu/ft happy frog bag. that I want to get rid of, going to try the ROLS for first time. If I use the CC nutrient pack from BAS plus EWC. Can the happy frog be reused if top dressed with compost after first harvest?

BTW going to use a 2x4 plastic try. approx. 20 gallons total.
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Use the bag soil for vegging first month or so, meanwhile start a fresh batch of soil, takes a month to get soil ready to go. Ditch the bottles, or use them just for your veg.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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foreverflyhi said:
Agree, shes has that look where numerous deficiancies are about to occur..
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Mohican said:
Hey hyroot - you might want to throw some EWC on that coco to give her some quick cal mag. What are you feeding her?
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That plant sat in a party cup for too long and was transplanted into that pot with coco the day before I took the pic. like I said in that post. I watered once with a compost tea and next watering i will be topdressing nutes and vc
 
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CannaBare

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What does everyone think of only coco? I was planning a mix of 1 part composted rabbit poo, 1 part worm poo, and 1 part coco/ricehulls 50/50 for my base. Then coots recipe for the amendments. Would this be a good coco only mix?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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CannaBare said:
What does everyone think of only coco? I was planning a mix of 1 part composted rabbit poo, 1 part worm poo, and 1 part coco/ricehulls 50/50 for my base. Then coots recipe for the amendments. Would this be a good coco only mix?
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I'm experimenting with coco / cootz recipe now. I think it depends on the coco and its cec.
 
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hyroot

hyroot

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CannaBare said:
I am also looking for coco with high cec. Have you seed these sellers? They also carry coco chips. I wonder if they would be a better substitute. They coco coir they advertise says high cec.

https://www.vgrove.com/index.php?p=Online_Store,View&product=62
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I've seen them at either home depot or lowes. I'm not trying to push the cocomor. So far it seems to have the highest cec of any coco I've tried. But the plant was just transplanted into the coco a few days ago. In a month will be a better test of the cec when the roots have grown much more.

I'm trying cloning with the cocomore too. Which is hard to work with for that purpose. It keeps fluffing up and I had to pack more coco on top after putting the cutting in the coco. Brick coco like cocotek or what ever would better for holding clones in place, bud it dries out faster. Sort of a catch 22
 
Scotch089

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So I went to the fair with the fam yesterday and found a greenhouse with free seeds, I was stoked, thought it was cool they were pushing outdoor gardens how they were. Do a "scavenger hunt" in their garden and pick a pack of seeds. Cool beans! I knew Basil was an IPM plant (thanks fly) and I wanted some of the plants for next year.

My question are any of these others good for the garden, whether it be for teas (like Cilantro) or using it as foliars like Aloe or working it as green matter in the soil.

Sage
Cilantro
Basil
Oregano

Then I got lettuce, tomatoes, and jalapeños.

Lady's telling me not to waste em all (the basil) so we can make salsa and shit but of course im all about integrating what I can into the garden(s)! (indoor and out)
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Scotch089 said:
So I went to the fair with the fam yesterday and found a greenhouse with free seeds, I was stoked, thought it was cool they were pushing outdoor gardens how they were. Do a "scavenger hunt" in their garden and pick a pack of seeds. Cool beans! I knew Basil was an IPM plant (thanks fly) and I wanted some of the plants for next year.

My question are any of these others good for the garden, whether it be for teas (like Cilantro) or using it as foliars like Aloe or working it as green matter in the soil.

Sage
Cilantro
Basil
Oregano

Then I got lettuce, tomatoes, and jalapeños.

Lady's telling me not to waste em all (the basil) so we can make salsa and shit but of course im all about integrating what I can into the garden(s)! (indoor and out)
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I know sage is....

https://www.frenchgardening.com/tech.html?pid=3164873867231346
 
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