Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

hyroot

hyroot

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Sub is using vega matrix along with super soil now too. His outdoor looks so dank though. Looks better than his indoor.

the guys at monster garden have the list of ingredients posted in their store. They added kelp meal and crab meal to the recipe too. Then sub started adding that too. Personally I like the cootz mix too. Cann did a comparison between subs recipe and cootz early on in this thread and in his old thread. Cootz mix beat super soil

https://www.rollitup.org/t/canns-organic-no-till-garden.634028/
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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hyroot said:
Sub is using vega matrix along with super soil now too. His outdoor looks so dank though. Looks better than his indoor.

the guys at monster garden have the list of ingredients posted in their store. They added kelp meal and crab meal to the recipe too. Then sub started adding that too. Personally I like the cootz mix too. Cann did a comparison between subs recipe and cootz early on in this thread and in his old thread. Cootz mix beat super soil

https://www.rollitup.org/t/canns-organic-no-till-garden.634028/
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Interesting they added kelp and crab... what next neem? lol! :p

The other thing I really don't like about subtool's mix is the lack of emphasis put on the humus source. Well, that, and he throws his soil out after each run last I heard. :roll:

Peace!
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hyroot

hyroot

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Pattahabi said:
Interesting they added kelp and crab... what next neem? lol! :p

The other thing I really don't like about subtool's mix is the lack of emphasis put on the humus source. Well, that, and he throws his soil out after each run last I heard. :roll:

Peace!
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sub has told me his used soil goes into a veggie garden. On a weed nerd ep he said the crab meal brings out the flavor more lol.. his recipe includes 25-50 lbs of worm castings . Thats not enough..
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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hyroot said:
sub has told me his used soil goes into a veggie garden. On a weed nerd ep he said the crab meal brings out the flavor more lol.. his recipe includes 25-50 lbs of worm castings . Thats not enough..
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Sub is a complete moron and should not be allowed to tell people how to grow.

DonPetro said:
Alot of recipes call for a third of your base to be worm castings. I've always preferred using less(20%+/-5%) with stellar results.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/organic/news/2014/2014-06a3.htm
Great topic to debate.
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DonP, I like to have 15% EWC 15% high quality thermal compost, or just 30% high quality vermicompost. I'm not especially fond of 33% EWC. I went that route, I thought it lacked of diversity.

my 2¢,
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Mohican

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He may not be a PhD, but moron is a little harsh. He has a ton of experience that serves him well.
Super Soil is far from perfect. I was just saying that it was a starting point.

Do you have a link to Coots recipe? It would be nice to have a basic recipe that everybody could start with in the beginning. Something simple and readily available most anywhere.
 
Mohican

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My Vermicompost is the most potent soil amendment I have ever used. Everything loves it! I wish I could buy bags of it somewhere! I think the coffee makes the plants grow faster hehe
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Mohican said:
He may not be a PhD, but moron is a little harsh. He has a ton of experience that serves him well.
Super Soil is far from perfect. I was just saying that it was a starting point.

Do you have a link to Coots recipe? It would be nice to have a basic recipe that everybody could start with in the beginning. Something simple and readily available most anywhere.
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its at the beginning of this thread.
 
a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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If anyone from Michigan needs compost or earthworm casting please PM me

I have two great sources in southeastern Michigan for both these things.

The castings are from a local worm farm, I just picked up 60lbs today. The guy was great, very knowledgeable and showed me how to make my own bin.

The compost is pine shavings, hay, and horse manure and has been in a compost pile for years! It looks amazing! Picked up another 60lbs of that today as well!

I'm stoked!
 
smokey the cat

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Just got the tomato bins ready for the summer. Some 5 year old 80litre (~20gallon) sturdy plastic bins I have drilled a few holes in for drainage - a little bleached from a half decade sitting out in the high UV here.


Reusing some shitty bark-based potting mix from last year, adding about a third of volume in new household compost. Couple of handfuls of Dynamic Lifter (organic composted pellets of chicken manure, kelp and fish bits) per bin - its great stuff. Half a sack of pumice between them, and handful of very fine sand each in the hopes it has something extra. Plus a little dolo lime I have kicking around and want to get rid of, lol.

Threw in some brown seaweed, and a couple of handfuls of newly inoculated biochar.

Tomorrow I'll give them a good dose of molasses to get em running and transplant a half-cup of worms from the compost bin to give the soil a bit of activity.

Will have to go shopping in the next week or two for an airpump and stone to get an ACT system up and running. Had big issues last season with black powdery mildew - apparently foliar ACT will out-compete fungal pathogens, if so that's just the solution I'm looking for.

I've pulled monster crops off these bins in the past - shame it's just bloody tomatoes!
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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Mohican said:
He may not be a PhD, but moron is a little harsh. He has a ton of experience that serves him well.
Super Soil is far from perfect. I was just saying that it was a starting point.

Do you have a link to Coots recipe? It would be nice to have a basic recipe that everybody could start with in the beginning. Something simple and readily available most anywhere.
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Mo, I have much respect for you. Please don't take this personal. Doing something wrong for a lot of years does not make you an expert. My calling sub a moron was me sugar coating it. He has cost people like ourselves countless amounts of hard earned dollars so he could be the poster child for cannabis growing. I listened to about 5 mins of some weed nerd video and I had to shut it off.

Maybe he should take a little time off camera and actually do a little horticulture reading. Just a thought.

This is the Coot recipe I go by.

33% Sphagnum Peat Moss
33% Aeration
33% High Quality EWC and/or Vermicompost
(some people run 50%/25%/25% Ratios)

To each 1 c.f. of this mix I add the following:

1/2 cup organic Neem meal
1/2 cup organic Kelp meal
1/2 cup Crab meal

4-5 cups of some minerals which can vary depending on what you have available. The bulk of the mix should be basalt and/or glacial rock dust; with some oyster shell and maybe gypsum as secondaries. Something like 4c basalt/glacial, 1/2c oyster shell, 1/2c gypsum.

Peace!
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elkamino

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When heading outside to bring in a few shovelfuls of outdoor soil to increase microbial activity of indoor soil, is there anything in particular to look for before choosing to dig? I assume I should just look for plants that grow similarly to cannabis- sunny, fast-growing, healthy- and dig nearby. As in, are there ways to target zones that have more of the desired molds, bacteria etc and fewer of those that may be detrimental? PS- I live in AK, and soil options are more limited here than in the lower 48- dunno if that matters!

Anyway, there's so much good info on this thread... and respectful back and forths. I've learned so much, thanks to all for sharing!
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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elkamino said:
When heading outside to bring in a few shovelfuls of outdoor soil to increase microbial activity of indoor soil, is there anything in particular to look for before choosing to dig? I assume I should just look for plants that grow similarly to cannabis- sunny, fast-growing, healthy- and dig nearby. As in, are there ways to target zones that have more of the desired molds, bacteria etc and fewer of those that may be detrimental? PS- I live in AK, and soil options are more limited here than in the lower 48- dunno if that matters!

Anyway, there's so much good info on this thread... and respectful back and forths. I've learned so much, thanks to all for sharing!
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Hi Elk!

A couple of things. First and foremost, be respectful of nature when foraging. With that said, if you can find and old growth forest or a high humus undisturbed area that would be awesome. What we are looking for are not just the physical properties of the soil, but the micro and macro life that inhibits it. I would only take stuff from areas where plants are thriving. A few handfuls of clay out of a riverbed also wouldn't hurt.

Peace!
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