Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[hyroot]

I'm thinking of upping the pot size I that use from 10 gals to 15 gals.
Thoughts:

1. taking a whole soil / root ball out of a 10 gal an putting it into a 15 gal and add more soil around it and continue the no till rols method....

2. just break it up and cook the soil til the roots break down and add to the 15 gal. Then topdress nutes and vermicompost

3. do step 2 but re-amend to make a whole new soil mix with the same used soil and cook til ready..

 

[DonPetro]

I'm thinking of upping the pot size I that ues from 10 gals to 15 gals.
Thoughts:

1. taking a whole soil / root ball out of a 10 gal an putting it into a 15 gal and add more soil around it and continue the no till rols method....

2. just break it up and cook the soil til the roots break down and add to the 15 gal. Then topdress nutes and vermicompost

3. do step 2 but re-amend to make a whole new soil mix with the same used soil and cook til ready..

I like number 3. I did the same with the soil from my potted pepper plants.

 

[PeaceLoveCannabis]

What do my ROLS friends do when a beautiful plant starts to grow pale green, to yellowish new growth? It looks to me like Magnesium. I know its not nitrogen. But my main question is what could i do to turn these ladys around? I don't want to go out and buy "organic ferts" cause i am not that type of person. But I cannot let it go yellow., so i have to do what works. Any advice?

edit: Forgot to mention its most likely mg, or something similar. What would be good to use either as a AACT or top dress. All input is greatly appreciated

 

[st0wandgrow]

What do my ROLS friends do when a beautiful plant starts to grow pale green, to yellowish new growth? It looks to me like Magnesium. I know its not nitrogen. But my main question is what could i do to turn these ladys around? I don't want to go out and buy "organic ferts" cause i am not that type of person. But I cannot let it go yellow., so i have to do what works. Any advice?

edit: Forgot to mention its most likely mg, or something similar. What would be good to use either as a AACT or top dress. All input is greatly appreciated

I would start with a generous top dress of worm castings and/or a compost tea. Wether the problem is ph or unprocessed organic matter I would send in a battalion of microbes to sort it out for you.

 

[BluJayz]

You can certainly dump the container of soil out and re-amend, then use it again. The "No-Till" title in the thread means that we don't dump the soil..... it's just left in the bucket and a new clone is put right back in there. The thinking behind this is that you've already got a thriving soil food web, with mycorrhizae already networked throughout the container, and your new clone will plug right in to this and benefit from it.

Thanks,

I meant to ask more about the multuiple plants per container driving up the 20,50,100 gallon pots? Is there a bennifical reason to the multiple plants? Does tillng hurt myco?

I also wonder how you don't till the soil, when my harvest is done 75-90% of the soil is tied up in roots.

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

Anyone know about bagged castings that are left in the sun? Sun beats down all day and cooks the plastic. Do the benefits of the casting diminish? They are worm gold plus. The price seems reasonable, but sitting outside gives me worry.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Thanks,

I meant to ask more about the multuiple plants per container driving up the 20,50,100 gallon pots? Is there a bennifical reason to the multiple plants? Does tillng hurt myco?

I also wonder how you don't till the soil, when my harvest is done 75-90% of the soil is tied up in roots.

I can't speak for multiple plants in one container. Never tried it.

The rootball is left in tact, in the soil. It stays put in the container. It will degrade over time and be consumed by the microbes in the soil. I lay a cover crop down and leave the containers fallow for 3 weeks in between rounds to help in that regard.

 

[mike4c4]

What do my ROLS friends do when a beautiful plant starts to grow pale green, to yellowish new growth? It looks to me like Magnesium. I know its not nitrogen. But my main question is what could i do to turn these ladys around? I don't want to go out and buy "organic ferts" cause i am not that type of person. But I cannot let it go yellow., so i have to do what works. Any advice?

edit: Forgot to mention its most likely mg, or something similar. What would be good to use either as a AACT or top dress. All input is greatly appreciated

you can add a spoon of epsom salt to your next watering. its at most grocery stores. very high in mg

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

I say 1., its ready to go!

 

[hyroot]

if new growth is yellow. I'd say its an iron deficiency not mag. kelp tea and top dress vermicompost

 

[farm hippie]

Hugelkultur is awesome dude, it would be really interesting to see some weed grown with a hugel mound ! Read lots of good things about it.

Concerning the water catchment you'll have to read up about how to setup swales on contour and so forth depending on how big your land is, cause by the sounds of it you want a paradise and thats the best way you can possibly do it i rate, you're just speeding up a process of nature.

& dude 6 month sativa's are way worth it ! my home grown outdoor that took 6 months had the most solid high ever ! i had been smoking weed for about 3-4 years at that time, i used to find the bong packed the next day many times because one hit just fucked me up too much ! : )

Way cool. I will read up on the water. My property is about 30 acres. It is a holler with pasture on bottom and creek and nice forest on hillside and up top. About 1/2mile long. So when it rains creek rises crazy.

I can't speak for multiple plants in one container. Never tried it.

The rootball is left in tact, in the soil. It stays put in the container. It will degrade over time and be consumed by the microbes in the soil. I lay a cover crop down and leave the containers fallow for 3 weeks in between rounds to help in that regard.

why not just create basically a raised bed indoors. Think outdoors but not. I have seen veggies that way. The benifits of say a 4x4x 2 patch is volume. Way more stable. Kind of like a fifty gallon aquarium is easier than a ten to maintain

 

[st0wandgrow]

Way cool. I will read up on the water. My property is about 30 acres. It is a holler with pasture on bottom and creek and nice forest on hillside and up top. About 1/2mile long. So when it rains creek rises crazy.
why not just create basically a raised bed indoors. Think outdoors but not. I have seen veggies that way. The benifits of say a 4x4x 2 patch is volume. Way more stable. Kind of like a fifty gallon aquarium is easier than a ten to maintain

A raised bed indoors would be ideal. Believe me, I've kicked the idea around before. Geo pot makes some fabric raised beds with PVC frames that look real nice. I'm sure one could easily be built too.

 

[earthling420]

damn all these awesome posts! love the organic thread and you regulars i just got my soil mixed and holy fuck it looks beautiful. Shits all over bagged dirt.

For teas can you add molasses to any tea or only some?
Im about to do an alfalfa tea and a kelp tea. and how do you know what you can mix? could i do the alfalfa and kelp together?

 

[st0wandgrow]

damn all these awesome posts! love the organic thread and you regulars i just got my soil mixed and holy fuck it looks beautiful. Shits all over bagged dirt.

For teas can you add molasses to any tea or only some?
Im about to do an alfalfa tea and a kelp tea. and how do you know what you can mix? could i do the alfalfa and kelp together?

Molasses can certainly be added to any tea, but I treat it as more of a food stock for microbes so I only add it to compost teas.

Alfalfa and kelp can absolutely be used together in a nutrient tea. I use about a cup total (ie 1/2 cup alfalfa 1/2 cup kelp) to 4 gallons of water and then dilute as needed to cover all of your plants

 

[PSUAGRO.]

I would start with a generous top dress of worm castings and/or a compost tea. Wether the problem is ph or unprocessed organic matter I would send in a battalion of microbes to sort it out for you.

great advice........

A raised bed indoors would be ideal. Believe me, I've kicked the idea around before. Geo pot makes some fabric raised beds with PVC frames that look real nice. I'm sure one could easily be built too.

you and me both monkey..............no fucking space and too many pigs around me

 

[earthling420]

Molasses can certainly be added to any tea, but I treat it as more of a food stock for microbes so I only add it to compost teas.

Alfalfa and kelp can absolutely be used together in a nutrient tea. I use about a cup total (ie 1/2 cup alfalfa 1/2 cup kelp) to 4 gallons of water and then dilute as needed to cover all of your plants

Ah i see. Sweet! now im excited for the teas i can make. So can i pretty much mix anything like that stuff. Such as throing in some ewc and compost? Do i need to clean the bucket out after each brew beforee the next? Bout to get a tea going right now

 

[st0wandgrow]

Ah i see. Sweet! now im excited for the teas i can make. So can i pretty much mix anything like that stuff. Such as throing in some ewc and compost? Do i need to clean the bucket out after each brew beforee the next? Bout to get a tea going right now

You can brew pretty much anything that has nutrient value. I'd keep those brews separate from your compost tea until you can do a bit more reading on it. Certain things can inhibit microbial multiplication, so best to keep it simple (castings and molasses) until you're certain.

http://microbeorganics.com/


I like to clean my bucket and air stones after every brew. I get a bit of a bio film that builds up in the bucket and on the stones

 

[earthling420]

You can brew pretty much anything that has nutrient value. I'd keep those brews separate from your compost tea until you can do a bit more reading on it. Certain things can inhibit microbial multiplication, so best to keep it simple (castings and molasses) until you're certain.

http://microbeorganics.com/


I like to clean my bucket and air stones after every brew. I get a bit of a bio film that builds up in the bucket and on the stones

Dude, thanks for the link. Just finished reading a bunch of it. So interesting, I never knew the capabilities that deeply. That's the.best link ive. gotten!
Organic is amazing.

 

[farm hippie]

I've decided to try building my soil from as much material as possible from the farm. I'm going to start with a mother log.

 

[farm hippie]

Located one of many in the woods. A mother log is one that has been decomposing for some time. It should be at the state where you can grab a handful and it feels like potting soil