Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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vitamin_green_inc said:
So 2:7 or 10 gallon no-tills, 4 sq foot mod SCRoGs for each, 300-350 watts LED actual, All the bells and whistles included;I.e cover crop, silicate, neem oil....take clones 1 week before flower, have them rooted and vegging 1 week at the latest into flower and so 7-9 week veg I could expect to hit....lol....about a lb of some of the tastiest organically grown buds in the world? And just pull the plant, drop in the new one from a 3 gallon and flower out? Sound decent?
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earthling420 said:
lol I like how you laid out your post. not knocking you, it's just funny how it seems so simple yetyou alralready know it took a shit ton of planning and reading lol. I also am perplexed as to what to do when harvest time for no tills. I know most just chop the stem and leave the roots in there, but idk if you have to wait or can plant new bean/clone right away. Yanking the roots would damage the ecosystem in the soil.
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There are different methods to do that, but what I do is simply cut the harvested plant at the stem, and simply cut a place for the next plant, usually I have mine in half gallon plastic pots, so I cut a square hole that fits the container perfectly, then I mist the roots and apply myco to it and drop the lil lady in.
I do it the day of, or the day after I harvested the other plant, my theory is I want to keep the soilweb as alive as possibly.
And vitamin_green.. I do exactly what you described, take cuts right @ flower, takes about 10 days or so to root, then into a party cup, after 20 days, i transplant once into the half gallon, from there to my big smartpots. Minimum size i'd use for that method is at least a 7 gallon pot, preferably a 10 or even better a 12. Those are smartpots I'm talking about, if you like plastic i'd go no less than a 10 gallon.
I also like to give them about 15 days or so under a 16-18 hr day to have them fill in a lil, before flowering, but I have transplanted and flowered in the same week before... just gotta be careful.
 
Joedank

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greasemonkeymann said:
are you thinking of biodynamic accumulators?
dandelion, comfrey, nettles, etc?
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i like that you called the BIOdynamic accumulators. rudolf steiner would love that .
marigold root exuadates are GREAT for soil biota better than most . they repel bad(root knot nemetoads ect) and allow good to thrive..
Urtica dioica (nettel) rapes the land of N and P thats why they grow in fertile soils ....
 
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x713

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speaking of accumulators my comfrey are doing awesome they are about a year old and giving me a lot of leaf.it will have to do untill i find a cheaper source of kelp meal.
 
greasemonkeymann

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x713 said:
speaking of accumulators my comfrey are doing awesome they are about a year old and giving me a lot of leaf.it will have to do untill i find a cheaper source of kelp meal.
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Comfrey is an amazing plant! I want to see if I can grow a plant using solely my compost and a topdress of EWC and comfrey.
I just finished making a mobile comfrey planter, I have a 7 gallon smartpot that has a comfrey in it (rootbound too) and I cut three large holes in the bottom of the container, then I dug a hole in the side of my hill and filled it with some good soil, after about a month or so I should have some comfrey roots growing out of the bottom, then i'm going cut them and move the container off to a new spot. The roots will grow new plants soon after.
As much as i'd like to take credit for this idea, it's not mine, I read about it on another forum.
Damn good idea though.
 
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earthling420

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Joedank said:
many test in my own life with a mag glass have shown it is the only amount that actuall kills bugs by smothering . witch is needed, for me in my life raising 25-50 other varietels of veg and keeping citrus indoors ina yearround solar ghouse. its also the reccomenned rate for horticulture use one oz per gallon. 5ml per gallon is my soil drench :)
most books i read on horticultre reccomend 2% neem solution witch is 75ml per gallon highly phototoxic....mine is only a little phototoxic ..
i also spray 3/4c D.E. to one gallon water.. with a mask...https://books.google.com/books?id=eRKYAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA472&dq=how much neem to smother pests&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IeslVafIL4PooATD4YGoAQ&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=how much neem to smother pests&f=false
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Good shit. BAS also says 1 oz of neem to a gal. wih half tsp of agsil.
if I remember correctly, is a neem soil drench supposed to be a last resort? Doesn't it damage a little bit of micro herd?
 
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earthling420

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Midwest Weedist said:
You know I thought about doing a single bed for the entire thing and decided against it for some reason. Now I think it would have worked perfectly. Oh well lol.
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lmao it's not too late, you could still do it ;)
Have you seen the square fabric pots? those would be good for maximizing space.
I thought the fabric beds were cool but there isnt many sizes unfortunately.
I wanna put a bed in my 2x2.5 also.
sigh, gardener dreams lol
 
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earthling420

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PSUAGRO. said:
airpump and airstones was to prevent hypoxic soil conditions and boost O2 to the roots==== came up with it while smoking with other growers:eyesmoke:.....did control test under both lights(induction & led), end results was that it didn't do shit compared to just plain LOS. stones probably clogged in the first week....lol

yeah i'm a fan of the root trapper II fabric pots, don't air prune which i like in winter runs, pricey though. outdoors is were they shine due to the reflective material, less evaporation .

going with 30 gal this test run...............shhh don't tell ...... it's a secret:wink:

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Damn that's a bitch, after all that testing too. Stoners lol ;)
thats cool brotha, they seem like a heavy duty fabric pot.
Aw shit, bringin in the big dawg! gonna have yields for days lol
 
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Joedank

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earthling420 said:
Good shit. BAS also says 1 oz of neem to a gal. wih half tsp of agsil.
if I remember correctly, is a neem soil drench supposed to be a last resort? Doesn't it damage a little bit of micro herd?
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never asked the herd:) i am sure its not as good as neem seed meal in the mix or in the earthworm box.
but it really works , some folks call it systemic , but the paper that it was in has not been peer reviewed yet lol.

neem at 1oz per gal is SLIGHTY phototoxic so keep the lights off till dry and emulsify well. IMO
 
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earthling420

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Joedank said:
never asked the herd:) i am sure its not as good as neem seed meal in the mix or in the earthworm box.
but it really works , some folks call it systemic , but the paper that it was in has not been peer reviewed yet lol.

neem at 1oz per gal is SLIGHTY phototoxic so keep the lights off till dry and emulsify well. IMO
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lol I have neem and karanja in my soil but doesn't seem to be working? so if the foliars don't work, im drenching.
lol what's that mean? plants dont absorb it and keep from foliars?
sorry, bit confused about the systemic thing. and I looked the word up too...
Ohh I see. I feel better now bout using 1 oz. especially if it'll get rid of em for good after.
Ya I think it was way back in this thread someone was saying neem can kill goodand bad things if too much is used..

So can one technically foliar with lights on as long as there's no neem? Iknow ppl talked about "burn spots" is that confirmed?
 
Joedank

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earthling420 said:
lol I have neem and karanja in my soil but doesn't seem to be working? so if the foliars don't work, im drenching.
lol what's that mean? plants dont absorb it and keep from foliars?
sorry, bit confused about the systemic thing. and I looked the word up too...
Ohh I see. I feel better now bout using 1 oz. especially if it'll get rid of em for good after.
Ya I think it was way back in this thread someone was saying neem can kill goodand bad things if too much is used..

So can one technically foliar with lights on as long as there's no neem? Iknow ppl talked about "burn spots" is that confirmed?
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good info here on neem https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=290297
i have researched a omri cert. product called calcium-25 it is applied in full sun at 77+ deg! < was the first i heard of that !
systemic means taken in by the whole plant . now 5ml of neem in 2.5ml protec(ksil) in warm (75-85) water works wonders for my life . but if you have any reservations try it on one plant . if you see anything weird cut it out there are better ways to fight (or not) bugs .
the debateable systemic neem study> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/026121949500026I
 
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x713

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greasemonkeymann said:
Comfrey is an amazing plant! I want to see if I can grow a plant using solely my compost and a topdress of EWC and comfrey.
I just finished making a mobile comfrey planter, I have a 7 gallon smartpot that has a comfrey in it (rootbound too) and I cut three large holes in the bottom of the container, then I dug a hole in the side of my hill and filled it with some good soil, after about a month or so I should have some comfrey roots growing out of the bottom, then i'm going cut them and move the container off to a new spot. The roots will grow new plants soon after.
As much as i'd like to take credit for this idea, it's not mine, I read about it on another forum.
Damn good idea though.
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i feed my comfrey organic chicken manure from bas for fun and get leaf matter quicker!,they also drink lots of water. i have 3 plants but plan to get loads for im addicted to them.i also have tons of roach poop that i compost i need to built a wooden stand for my mega worm inn but been to lazy and not good with my hands and building things from scratch
 
greasemonkeymann

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x713 said:
i feed my comfrey organic chicken manure from bas for fun and get leaf matter quicker!,they also drink lots of water. i have 3 plants but plan to get loads for im addicted to them.i also have tons of roach poop that i compost i need to built a wooden stand for my mega worm inn but been to lazy and not good with my hands and building things from scratch
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roach poop huh?
interesting.. do you raise them for chickens?
If so, grind up a cup of dead bugs per cubic foot of soil, it's a great source of chitin, calcium, as well as phosphorus and nitrogen.
I have found that my comfrey is a bit of a cannibal... it loves comfrey tea and topdresses
 
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x713

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greasemonkeymann said:
roach poop huh?
interesting.. do you raise them for chickens?
If so, grind up a cup of dead bugs per cubic foot of soil, it's a great source of chitin, calcium, as well as phosphorus and nitrogen.
I have found that my comfrey is a bit of a cannibal... it loves comfrey tea and topdresses
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i raise 3 different roaches as feeder roaches for some of my reptile and tarantulas.i feed them fruits and veggies they eat better then me sometimes Im loaded with molted shells and poo.i need to get some chickens would be awesome or maybe a turkey
 
Joedank

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x713 said:
i raise 3 different roaches as feeder roaches for some of my reptile and tarantulas.i feed them fruits and veggies they eat better then me sometimes Im loaded with molted shells and poo.i need to get some chickens would be awesome or maybe a turkey
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molted shell ammedmed soil VS ground up dead ones soil ....judged by yeild and soil biota smear:) ....sounds neat to me
 
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