Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Joedank

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i AM STRIVING FOR BIODYNAMICS . YOU HAVE NO RUNOFF FROM UNDERCURRENT SYSTEMS??? AG in the E.U. is hit or miss.... weeks of clouds lead to buildup of leaf nitrates and nitrites in ANY system in ANY counrty at any time . organic or not (chem sysems espcally) i just argue that all growing should be SUN based and SOIL based for the sake of us all ... just look at the salton sea BIOdynamics could have helped avoid all that mess..
the artical you quote makes no space for closed loop BIOdynamic AG including aquaponics sysems that i am implementing in my own life...
Actually Joe i have 0 runoff i do a 4 day cycles 34 Gallon mediums
and the iponic is the bomb can be 6000 miles away adjust anything via phone

Another rationale for buying organic is that it is supposedly better for the natural environment. But the low yields of organic agriculture in real-world settings – typically 20-50% below yields from conventional agriculture – impose various stresses on farmland and increase water consumption substantially. According to a recent British meta-analysis, ammonia emissions, nitrogen leaching, and nitrous-oxide emissions per unit of output were higher in organic systems than in conventional agriculture, as were land use and the potential for eutrophication – adverse ecosystem responses to the addition of fertilizers and wastes – and acidification.

An anomaly of how “organic” is defined is that the designation does not actually focus on the food’s quality, composition, or safety. Rather, it comprises a set of acceptable practices and procedures that a farmer intends to use. For example, chemical pesticide or pollen from genetically engineered plants wafting from an adjacent field onto an organic crop does not affect the harvest’s status. EU rules are clear that food may be labeled as organic as long as “the ingredients containing [genetically modified organisms] entered the products unintentionally” and amount to less than 0.9% of their content.

Finally, many who are seduced by the romance of organic farming ignore its human consequences. American farmer Blake Hurst offers this reminder: “Weeds continue to grow, even in polycultures with holistic farming methods, and, without pesticides, hand weeding is the only way to protect a crop.” The backbreaking drudgery of hand weeding often falls to women and children.

Of course, organic products should be available for people who feel that they must have and can afford them. But the simple truth is that buying non-organic is far more cost-effective, more humane, and more environmentally responsible.


Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/co...about-organic-agriculture#0xkVf8fksJTS7ifC.99
 
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Darth Vapour

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Lets be truthfully honest here from scratch soil is the least expensive ,, the average organic grower does not have access to a farm , so its lowes , Rona , home depot, or some garden center
where pending on product 15 - 50 percent mark up organic growing is not really cheap
by the time to buy the amendments gouging you 12 - 20 bucks for small amounts 1 kg - 2 kg products before you really know it your easy over hundred bucks .. Remember these companies are in it for the money nothing else. that is how we survive with a small window in summer ...
proper soil does take time years actually if one was to go by mother natures rules being self sustaining being Natural
But being humans we again get our dirty fingers involved and speed things up is this actually deemed tru organics making teas top dressing ,etc.. i know i am nit picking here but non of the less just saying
 

Joedank

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Lets be truthfully honest here from scratch soil is the least expensive ,, the average organic grower does not have access to a farm , so its lowes , Rona , home depot, or some garden center
where pending on product 15 - 50 percent mark up organic growing is not really cheap
by the time to buy the amendments gouging you 12 - 20 bucks for small amounts 1 kg - 2 kg products before you really know it your easy over hundred bucks .. Remember these companies are in it for the money nothing else. that is how we survive with a small window in summer ...
proper soil does take time years actually if one was to go by mother natures rules being self sustaining being Natural
But being humans we again get our dirty fingers involved and speed things up is this actually deemed tru organics making teas top dressing ,etc.. i know i am nit picking here but non of the less just saying
still no run off from your undercurrent (DWC) hydro setup ? or were those someone elses pics??
 

Darth Vapour

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telling you no run off as PH, EC levels stay uniform with a top up res,, and Float valve fed to main res. ( Reverse circulated ) i use drain valve to reverse circulate between both holding tank and main res
maintaining proper everything if i want to bump up EC levels i adjust dosers to do so and it will slowly over few circulations get it to what i want again maintaining PH at all times ,,,, being it is being added on other end of modules and in front of keeping it pretty in sink or EC fluctuations
i will shortly start a thread just waiting on 32 site Double barrel UCDB 13 gallon system will be total 650 gallon system closed looped,,, All active volume mini dosers, commercial grade air cooled hot or cold chillers 15 K grow that will be out together and couple trial runs prior to fall actual start up
 

churchhaze

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This thread isn't about what's better, natural vs synthetics, it's about ROLS. RIU is in major need of better moderation.

(Although to be fair, organic heads should stop with the "wasted money on chemicals" and "My product is automatically superior" crap to stop baiting it. You will no doubt get synthetic growers arguing their costs and quality.)
 

genuity

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This thread isn't about what's better, natural vs synthetics, it's about ROLS. RIU is in major need of better moderation.

(Although to be fair, organic heads should stop with the "wasted money on chemicals" and "My product is automatically superior" crap to stop baiting it. You will no doubt get synthetic growers arguing their costs and quality.)
It's hard to moderate beliefs...see,it don't even sound right
 

churchhaze

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It's hard to moderate beliefs...see,it don't even sound right
Isn't this a sticky thread? Let's say I wanted to try out a ROLS grow. I'm a DWC guy. There's 278 pages on this thread.. I see the first one about how to do ROLS, and how chemicals destroy the environment and hurt your wallet. If this thread isn't supposed to be an instructional, it should probably be de-sticked, or closed after the guide is done. I see 2 groups comparing their expensive growing methods and arguing that the other is more expensive, and all I want to do is show off my DIY nutes, also unrelated to ROLS. Is this the place to do it? Because when I say you all waste money on nutrients, you tell me nutrients is such a small price anyway, it doesn't matter... then go looking to find cheaper nutrients.

I also don't spend my time in the autoflowering section ridiculing people, without listening to a thing they have to say back to me.

The whole point of the smashing florescent thread was to pick a weak target no one likes that we can all hate together! lol
 

Joedank

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i woke up today wanting to post about the biodynamic soil innocculent i got for my comopst heap from jporterinsitute.
treats a metric ton , used it last year and man the compost smells great ! its alot of componets and stirring but my soil is like next level now:) lol... will share more if anyone cares . alot of voodoo involed that i love ... i always thought innuculants were a joke till i started bokashi and composting hot . JPI stuff got my compost cooking just right and black as night....
This thread isn't about what's better, natural vs synthetics, it's about ROLS. RIU is in major need of better moderation.

(Although to be fair, organic heads should stop with the "wasted money on chemicals" and "My product is automatically superior" crap to stop baiting it. You will no doubt get synthetic growers arguing their costs and quality.)
then i saw the insults and had to fire back .... i think all plant nutes have there place but derivitives of the oil industry should be avoided....
 

Medipuffs

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I'm starting up a no till bed. I have been recycling my organic soil for a few years. My mix doesn't have peat in it and i want to know if i can add extra aeration to my soil mix to make up for what the peat would be needed for? (i have good cec and drainage with my soil) i am just worried about compaction after watering it for a few grows. I am going to be using hydroton instead of perlite and will be using a generous amount to ensure good oxygen levels in the soil with proper topdressing and amending.

Thanks for the help
 

Joedank

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I'm starting up a no till bed. I have been recycling my organic soil for a few years. My mix doesn't have peat in it and i want to know if i can add extra aeration to my soil mix to make up for what the peat would be needed for? (i have good cec and drainage with my soil) i am just worried about compaction after watering it for a few grows. I am going to be using hydroton instead of perlite and will be using a generous amount to ensure good oxygen levels in the soil with proper topdressing and amending.

Thanks for the help
awsome ! i like to add a perferated pipe in mine to add air as they do compact over time . unless you use only drip or troph blumats (love them)
any worms in there?? i find bigger aggrigate ends up on top sometimes as worms eat all the (soil) food...
what about corse sand or chipped ganite they both are reccomened in all my books for soil mixes..
 

Medipuffs

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awsome ! i like to add a perferated pipe in mine to add air as they do compact over time . unless you use only drip or troph blumats (love them)
any worms in there?? i find bigger aggrigate ends up on top sometimes as worms eat all the (soil) food...
what about corse sand or chipped ganite they both are reccomened in all my books for soil mixes..
Thanks

I am going to be putting worms into my bed. I have some greensand in my mix and do use rock dust but its not a large grain/coarse cut its micronized powder (good for nutrients not for aeration haha). Was thinking about making bio char for the first time possibly to add to this as well.
 

Joedank

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Thanks

I am going to be putting worms into my bed. I have some greensand in my mix and do use rock dust but its not a large grain/coarse cut its micronized powder (good for nutrients not for aeration haha). Was thinking about making bio char for the first time possibly to add to this as well.
cool!!
no not dust like small screened gravel thats granite or whatever is local ...
i add a grip of biochar charged with a eggshell tea.
 

Medipuffs

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Thats just what i was talking about but connecting two corners with a underpipe has proven valuable to me...
that makes sense and perforate the cross pipe eh?

yeah buddy, will do with the aggragate. whatever helps me get a good root zone, i am interested in.
 

Joedank

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that makes sense and perforate the cross pipe eh?

yeah buddy, will do with the aggragate. whatever helps me get a good root zone, i am interested in.
yup yup i always find worms in the perf pipe they love the air /moist breeding ground...seems ...
lots of other smart folks on here will chime in soon with other options. one i really like is alfalfa topdressing....yum....
 
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