Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

VTMi'kmaq

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Chili and garlic pestled up. About a 1/2 tsp worth in a spray bottle. I sprayed a few evenings last year they were done
I have chili powder from bolut jolokias, no really.....and i will follow your recipe to a t if i can use the balut powder to knock em down, i think it's great that darth vapor dosnt have pest issue's.......the rest of us have to accept the fact that they can be anywhere in organic n-p-k sources, and tbh with easy peasy recipe's like this i really don't mind. With everything else that could go wrong i hate to admit it but ive kinda just accepted the fact that they may show up, so i have an arsenal at the ready.....i can see pattahabi mixing that soil.........god damn man! Go big!
 

Darth Vapour

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Like I said, its been a perpetual grow for years, and I use compost and soil from outside, so soon or later you might introduce pest that way. To nuke the whole container with a bug killer whether orgasmic or not before placing in the grow room goes against the ROLS philosophy in my opinion. As you can see on the pictures, the flower room always has plants at all stage of growth so spraying anything in those conditions isnt ideal.

MissJack = Senora Ampero X Pennywise
The plants in the very corner of the room are a cross of ((Chemo X Respect) X Ancient OG) Smells like blueberry probably from the blueberry in the lineage of Snow Lotus... my one keeper at this point.
I have chili powder from bolut jolokias, no really.....and i will follow your recipe to a t if i can use the balut powder to knock em down, i think it's great that darth vapor dosnt have pest issue's.......the rest of us have to accept the fact that they can be anywhere in organic n-p-k sources, and tbh with easy peasy recipe's like this i really don't mind. With everything else that could go wrong i hate to admit it but ive kinda just accepted the fact that they may show up, so i have an arsenal at the ready.....i can see pattahabi mixing that soil.........god damn man! Go big!
Hey Guys just wanted to say Sorry if i come across as a prick sometimes to some of you , or all of you haha i mean good ,, always ound whe bring out side soil into our indoor grows its becomes a cluster fuck with insects everybody is always worried about living organic soil which is so simple to put in soil its not even funny..
If anyone is using outdoor soil and bringing it inside ???
They should really consider sterilizing the soil and starting all over, Even if chemical nutrients were used in your soil your soil is not dead but damaged
First and foremost, DON'T go wasting your money on all these miracle products, they are unnecessary, Don't go buying into all these products, your getting fooled out of your wallet!
The best thing to add to your soil:
-Compost(make yourself,etc)
-plant matter(cover crops/green manures)
-mulch(again plant matter, leaves,etc)
-get a carbon water filter and filter the chlorine
-compost tea(make yourself, simple 5 gallon bucket($3), a water pump($10) and some compost(free?, but is really priceless!) simple as that..
- did I say compost? Compost,Compost,compost
I would just keep adding compost, planting cover crops/green manures, an continue mulching.. That's the best way for your soil, as well as your wallet! Please don't get foole an buy all these products, it's unnecessary.
I have practiced Sterilization of soil on every grow from the time i was 10 years old, its just common practice now. And a smart practice. we have to forget that there is only one way for ROLS and no other cause that is a crock of shit there are hundreds of ways to get from point A to point B,
I have moved away from family practice where we own a big botanic garden and like ALL botanic gardens all there used soil is sterilized and re charged , and re used this not only assures us that the plant in question is bug free its also insures us that its also disease free .
I used to start our green houses in middle of February and start seed runs as well as clone approx 350,000 annuals for up coming season sales etc , I have worked with more soils then most will see in there life time trust me on that
And being around certified botanists all my life one learns allot ..
so with that said everyone has to to relax on the ROLS so many ways to do it successfully and there is no such thing as this is the right way or that is the wrong way
Using strong chemicals or a sure kill method to rid insects ( mites aphids etc )
Same thing applies Do not kid your self Yes even organic farmers use harsh chemicals as a last resort to rid infestation ,,, why should we be any different ??? if you really think about ..
Now i am not going to say what ever its your plants your grow , do what ever , but to think by using 10 times more the application to rid the problem is being better or more efficient is a wrong way to think about it . by the time you see insect issues the damage already has been done there easily on there 3rd generation - 6 generation of off spring and this is a problem . not only has your plants been attacked there weak now and getting weaker by the day .. so yes even going with this organic witch craft recipe your hurting your plants even more by stressing it out every application .. And with that said spraying plants ?? throw that idea down the drain YOU NEVER GET THEM ALL you may think yeah i killed them ,, But sure enough 5th week in flower they popped there ugly heads out at you again
And NOW your fucked
We see it all the time don't we ??? best way to rid these fuckers is by dunking them completely into solution and moving plant up n down or a min or 2
i have used 50 gallon drums i plants are Big use netting string what ever tie it up so that you can get it into the barrel
We are all here to help each other some my take a growers advice or not again its All up to you
But as far as i am concerned Dont fuck around when it comes to insect issues kill them fuckers once n for all and that is with strong Chem insecticide
 

GreenSanta

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so you sterilize your compost before you bring it indoor? you would be losing all the benefits...
True that organic farmers use stuff to rid of infestations, but thats conventional organic, and does not mean its good.
no doubts that you know what you are doing though, to each his own.
 

hyroot

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What is a certified botanist? I'm pretty sure to be a botanist you need at least a BA in botany not a certification. Most have MA and ph d's as well.

Not trying to attack you. I've just honestly never heard of a certified botanist.

I'm a certified audio and video engineer and I also have an AA in audio and video engineering. There are no BA'S offered for that field.

I used to be certified in A+ , MCSE, and MCSD. When I was going for my Computer Science BA before switching to audio. I never renewed or retook tests for those.
 

Kind Sir

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I was looking at having some neem/karanja cake(meal) and a small thing of neem oil from neemresource shipped to wisconsin. It says you can get 5lb karanja cake & 5lb of neem cake for 34$ INCLUSIVE of shipping. Does that mean including?

It says 5lb for 10$ and I assume thats before shipping, anyone have a shipping quote example
 

littlejacob

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Bonjour
Hi organik growerz...!
I am from France and I am interested in ROLS...but we do not have all the organic products available in U.S!
There is a few shop who sell some in France!
The one I think about is called Terralba, and they have a shop on ebay so if someone could help me making a lisf of products I should add to my soil to improve it! I would be thankful!
I think about buying a ACT kit in the future to brew tea...
And what kind of soil bag should I use for base...the only "bio" soil I can source is Canna bio or plagron batmix (I think lightmix biobizz is not only organic)
If there is E.U resident here with good adress for organic...I will take it
Have a great day ★
 

GreenSanta

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Jacob there are hundreds of recipes and amendments ideas throughout this thread. I recommend you start reading...

The most important ingredient in all recipes is good compost, the first thing you should do is find somewhere you can buy quality compost locally to get you going and then start making your own. A good recipe and a good mulch is all you need to grow dank, ACTs are far from being necessary.
 

abe supercro

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I was looking at having some neem/karanja cake(meal) and a small thing of neem oil from neemresource shipped to wisconsin. It says you can get 5lb karanja cake & 5lb of neem cake for 34$ INCLUSIVE of shipping. Does that mean including?

It says 5lb for 10$ and I assume thats before shipping, anyone have a shipping quote example
Just email the lady and she's prompt about helping with your order.




Darth what the hell are you talking about using heavy chemicals and sterilizing your soil? This is an organic thread and you reach for the napalm citing all your 'certified' grower buds do the same. thought you had clean fresh air up there in canada, IF that's even where you are from. tbh i don't believe half of what you say because of all the unattributed google images and cut and paste u do.
 

VTMi'kmaq

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Any of you guys using balut jolokia powder or similar to ward off pests? I'd like to use the powder i got to attack some fliers, anyone have a decent recipe?
 

littlejacob

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Bonjour
@GreenSanta is wormcasting's some kind of compost?
I really want to try a very basic recipe...like wc 20%/coco20%/zeolite 10%/soil bag50% + batguano bloom 20 gr for each 3 gallon pot (for bloom only!) Do you think it would be ok?
Have a nice day!
 

Darth Vapour

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lol gluten free
And yes Looking outside right now i see northern lights dancing in the sky lol i was Abe i was saying if anyone tends to bring out door soil into there indoor gardens sterilizing the soil is a grand idea ,, does not take nothing to recharge soil shit some compost and some bacto and your golden again
Also was talking about insects which do you think will do more harm one application of chem insecticide to rid the problem or 10 - 20 applications to rid the problem
remember normally, by the time you see insects mites etc its not infected its fucking infested so damage has been done plant is weaker etc .. so going with a label brand organic insecticide remember insecticide or organic bug control is POISON which ever way you look at it if it kills a insect that is right ??? science is just beginining to understand soil biology but guess what pot heads have it down pact lol kinda funny really
we tend to think cause it was grown organic or something is organic its safe
well some organic pesticides are unsafe also
Insecticides and other pesticides sometimes are needed as a last resort when efforts to grow a healthy plant fail and pests strike.

If you reach for an insecticide, don't buy into a widespread perception that insecticides derived from plants are somehow "softer" in their effects on the environment than synthesized insecticides.

Rotenone, nicotine, pyrethrum and neem are examples of botanical insecticides. Just because the materials are natural, however, doesn't mean they are always less toxic than the synthetics.

Rotenone is produced from the roots of two tropical members of the bean plant family. It has been used as a crop insecticide since the mid-1800's to control leaf eating caterpillars, and it often is recommended for flea beetle control on early season vegetables. It is six times more toxic than carbaryl, (sevin), a synthetic product, also effective for caterpillar and flea beetle control.

Nicotine sulfate has been used since the turn of the century and is the most hazardous botanical insecticide available to home gardeners. The insecticide is extracted from tobacco by steam distillation or solvent extraction. Highly toxic to humans and other warm blooded animals, nicotine sulfate is rapidly absorbed through the skin. It is six times more toxic than diazinon, a widely available synthetic insecticide sold for control of many of the same pests.

Like most organic pesticides, nicotine and rotenone break down rapidly meaning the highest hazard is to the applicator, birds and other wildlife present at the time of application.

Some organic insecticides are very effective for pest control AND have a high degree of associated safety.

Pyrethrum, extracted from the dried flowers of the pyrethrum daisy, has a rapid "knockdown" effect on many insects. It has very low toxicity to mammals and is best used for exposed caterpillars, sawfly larvae, leaf beetles and leafhoppers. Because of its short persistence, its effectiveness is limited but so are its impacts on natural insect enemies.

Neem is an exciting, new insecticide product. Extracted from the seeds of the tropical neem tree, this plant substance has long been used in Africa as a pharmaceutical and toothpaste. Neem has recently been found to interfere with insect feeding and development. Treated insects rarely show immediate symptoms, and death may be delayed a week or longer. Insects are sluggish after spraying, however, and do little feeding.

Labeled uses of neem are still under development. Its very low toxicity and increasing labeling for a wide number of insects make it an attractive, up and coming insecticide. CSU research tests show good activity against tent caterpillars and elm leaf beetles, and fair results with tussock moth.

The container in which an insecticide is sold will have a label that tells the user not only what pests the product can control, but also safety precautions for the applicator and the environment. There fore being its litterally has a MSDS safety precautions one could say its a poison No ???? drink it
 
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ShLUbY

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lol gluten free
And yes Looking outside right now i see northern lights dancing in the sky lol i was Abe i was saying if anyone tends to bring out door soil into there indoor gardens sterilizing the soil is a grand idea ,, does not take nothing to recharge soil shit some compost and some bacto and your golden again
Also was talking about insects which do you think will do more harm one application of chem insecticide to rid the problem or 10 - 20 applications to rid the problem
remember normally, by the time you see insects mites etc its not infected its fucking infested so damage has been done plant is weaker etc .. so going with a label brand organic insecticide remember insecticide or organic bug control is POISON which ever way you look at it if it kills a insect that is right ??? science is just beginining to understand soil biology but guess what pot heads have it down pact lol kinda funny really
we tend to think cause it was grown organic or something is organic its safe
well some organic pesticides are unsafe also
Insecticides and other pesticides sometimes are needed as a last resort when efforts to grow a healthy plant fail and pests strike.

If you reach for an insecticide, don't buy into a widespread perception that insecticides derived from plants are somehow "softer" in their effects on the environment than synthesized insecticides.

Rotenone, nicotine, pyrethrum and neem are examples of botanical insecticides. Just because the materials are natural, however, doesn't mean they are always less toxic than the synthetics.

Rotenone is produced from the roots of two tropical members of the bean plant family. It has been used as a crop insecticide since the mid-1800's to control leaf eating caterpillars, and it often is recommended for flea beetle control on early season vegetables. It is six times more toxic than carbaryl, (sevin), a synthetic product, also effective for caterpillar and flea beetle control.

Nicotine sulfate has been used since the turn of the century and is the most hazardous botanical insecticide available to home gardeners. The insecticide is extracted from tobacco by steam distillation or solvent extraction. Highly toxic to humans and other warm blooded animals, nicotine sulfate is rapidly absorbed through the skin. It is six times more toxic than diazinon, a widely available synthetic insecticide sold for control of many of the same pests.

Like most organic pesticides, nicotine and rotenone break down rapidly meaning the highest hazard is to the applicator, birds and other wildlife present at the time of application.

Some organic insecticides are very effective for pest control AND have a high degree of associated safety.

Pyrethrum, extracted from the dried flowers of the pyrethrum daisy, has a rapid "knockdown" effect on many insects. It has very low toxicity to mammals and is best used for exposed caterpillars, sawfly larvae, leaf beetles and leafhoppers. Because of its short persistence, its effectiveness is limited but so are its impacts on natural insect enemies.

Neem is an exciting, new insecticide product. Extracted from the seeds of the tropical neem tree, this plant substance has long been used in Africa as a pharmaceutical and toothpaste. Neem has recently been found to interfere with insect feeding and development. Treated insects rarely show immediate symptoms, and death may be delayed a week or longer. Insects are sluggish after spraying, however, and do little feeding.

Labeled uses of neem are still under development. Its very low toxicity and increasing labeling for a wide number of insects make it an attractive, up and coming insecticide. CSU research tests show good activity against tent caterpillars and elm leaf beetles, and fair results with tussock moth.

The container in which an insecticide is sold will have a label that tells the user not only what pests the product can control, but also safety precautions for the applicator and the environment. There fore being its litterally has a MSDS safety precautions one could say its a poison No ???? drink it
haha thought you'd like that gluten free comment.

if chemical insecticides/fungicides are systemic, one treatment is all it needs as the plant will manufacture the poison itself systemically. which means you will be smoking poison in the end as it NEVER leaves the plant.

pyrethrum is about to be documented as carcinogenic.
 

Vnsmkr

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Take 1/2 small chili and 1 small bit of garlic, pestle it up with mortar and pestle, or drop in food processor. Mix into a spray bottle filled with water and shake the shit out of it. Spray away.
 
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