Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

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MrKnotty said:
If you are into making your own fertilizer, check out theunconventionalfarmer.com Gill has a fermented plant extract bloom recipe on there. I just warn to travel that road with caution. I have let some fermentations get way to strong and burned my plants. Also, a Valerian root tea has a nice phosphorous punch to it too. No need to ferment that one either. Hope this helps!

Peace
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Just the kind of thing I was looking for. I all ways like to make things myself especially when it comes to organics.

Today I found some tiny white spots on my plant. It's not spider mites I know ow for sure. The spots are super white it almost looks like splashes of paint but really small.

Any thoughts?

I've searched the web but everything just says mites
 
Mazer

Mazer

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MrKnotty said:
If your having trouble with Gills site, you can search the Web for free PDFs of Dr. Cho's Korean Natural Farming. It's a really badass manual, and there is way more info than unconventional farmer. I just really like how simple Gill lays things out and always send folks there first. Dr. Cho knows whats going on for sure too though.
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Dear MrKnotty,
Thanks for the information. is this the book you are referring to?
https://ilcasia.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/chos-global-natural-farming-sarra.pdf

MasterCho-ingly yours,
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MrKnotty

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Mexican bagseeder said:
Just the kind of thing I was looking for. I all ways like to make things myself especially when it comes to organics.

Today I found some tiny white spots on my plant. It's not spider mites I know ow for sure. The spots are super white it almost looks like splashes of paint but really small.

Any thoughts?

I've searched the web but everything just says mites
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Well if you have scoped your plants 10 times and still haven't found a mite, and seriously look at least 10 separate times, then it could be a minor burn from a foilar spray or bug prevention. I know that sometimes if I make a bug spray too strong I will see tiny white dots. Doesn't usually affect the plant too much though. Mites are a real bitch though, so check alot to be really sure it's not the case.
 
Mohican

Mohican

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Spraying water on the leaves under strong lights can cause some burn spots on leaves. Or maybe they got a splash of some strong chemical like bleach.
 
Mazer

Mazer

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Dear Gentlefolks,
Forgive me for being insistent but the "Claw" is truly bothering me. I am fairly certain it is caused by N toxicity (what a horrendous term!)
I have a fairly simple routine. Every week I water once with SST (mugo, alfalfa, or diastatic barley), once with a Worm Compost tea, and once with coco water. When in vegg I also use a foliar spray of fermented plant extract (neetle, comfrey, horstail) every other day+ a weekly neem oil foliar application.
Should I stop adding anything but water to the soil? do the SSTs, WTC, Coco contribute to the high levels of N?
I am out of ideas. Any suggestions on how to reduce the N in my soil would be more than welcome. I understand it is a bit unorthodox to try to lower N but I am extremely reluctant on disposing of a soil mix that cost me about a week salary and starting anew.

ClipTheClawingly yours,
M
 

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MrKnotty

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Mazer said:
Dear Gentlefolks,
Forgive me for being insistent but the "Claw" is truly bothering me. I am fairly certain it is caused by N toxicity (what a horrendous term!)
I have a fairly simple routine. Every week I water once with SST (mugo, alfalfa, or diastatic barley), once with a Worm Compost tea, and once with coco water. When in vegg I also use a foliar spray of fermented plant extract (neetle, comfrey, horstail) every other day+ a weekly neem oil foliar application.
Should I stop adding anything but water to the soil? do the SSTs, WTC, Coco contribute to the high levels of N?
I am out of ideas. Any suggestions on how to reduce the N in my soil would be more than welcome. I understand it is a bit unorthodox to try to lower N but I am extremely reluctant on disposing of a soil mix that cost me about a week salary and starting anew.

ClipTheClawingly yours,
M
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Your leaves really aren't that dark I doubt you have a nitrogen toxicity. You can get that claw from over watering too.
 
Magdup

Magdup

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Mazer said:
Dear Gentlefolks,
Forgive me for being insistent but the "Claw" is truly bothering me. I am fairly certain it is caused by N toxicity (what a horrendous term!)
I have a fairly simple routine. Every week I water once with SST (mugo, alfalfa, or diastatic barley), once with a Worm Compost tea, and once with coco water. When in vegg I also use a foliar spray of fermented plant extract (neetle, comfrey, horstail) every other day+ a weekly neem oil foliar application.
Should I stop adding anything but water to the soil? do the SSTs, WTC, Coco contribute to the high levels of N?
I am out of ideas. Any suggestions on how to reduce the N in my soil would be more than welcome. I understand it is a bit unorthodox to try to lower N but I am extremely reluctant on disposing of a soil mix that cost me about a week salary and starting anew.

ClipTheClawingly yours,
M
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I m not the most experienced grower here but this is what i found in jorge cervantes marijuana horticulture about to much N: your plants will grow a lot of leaves which a very weak and spongy pests and fungi are very likley to show up stems are getting weak and will snap. Cure: flush the pots with 3 times the volume of your pot sice.
In your case i would recommend transplanting since i also think your girls are overwatered.( i overwatered mine once and a month after i cut them down and left the pots in my room with low humidity the soil was still moist and warm in the inside of the pot wehn i dumped it)
 
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I'm wondering if any of my fellow organic enthusiasts have substituted coconut flour for young coconuts/coconut water. I think using coconut flour would be much more cost efficient, though I'm sure it doesn't deliver quite the punch as fresh. However, if it's on the same level as Aloe 200x as far as effectiveness it could be worth using. If coconut flour is simply ground coconut pulp my hunch is that there should be some benefit from using it. I'm very interested if anyone has any inputs! I also started an experiment yesterday on some plants so we will see!!

Peace
 
Mazer

Mazer

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MrKnotty said:
Your leaves really aren't that dark I doubt you have a nitrogen toxicity. You can get that claw from over watering too.
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Dear MrKnotty,
I always stick my finger in the pot to make sure the first inch and a half are dry. So then again I truly doubt I am over watering. I wish you are right ad my soil mix is not too hot.

Dryingly yours,
M
 
Mazer

Mazer

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Magdup said:
I m not the most experienced grower here but this is what i found in jorge cervantes marijuana horticulture about to much N: your plants will grow a lot of leaves which a very weak and spongy pests and fungi are very likley to show up stems are getting weak and will snap. Cure: flush the pots with 3 times the volume of your pot sice.
In your case i would recommend transplanting since i also think your girls are overwatered.( i overwatered mine once and a month after i cut them down and left the pots in my room with low humidity the soil was still moist and warm in the inside of the pot wehn i dumped it)
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Mazer

Mazer

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Magdup said:
I m not the most experienced grower here but this is what i found in jorge cervantes marijuana horticulture about to much N: your plants will grow a lot of leaves which a very weak and spongy pests and fungi are very likley to show up stems are getting weak and will snap. Cure: flush the pots with 3 times the volume of your pot sice.
In your case i would recommend transplanting since i also think your girls are overwatered.( i overwatered mine once and a month after i cut them down and left the pots in my room with low humidity the soil was still moist and warm in the inside of the pot wehn i dumped it)
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Dear Magdup,
See my previous post about over watering. My plants are very leafy. Yet, the stems seem strong. I doubt flushing my soil that has no chem ferts will remove the excess N. Is it possible to flush in Rols?

Flushingly yours,
M
 
Magdup

Magdup

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Mazer said:
Dear Magdup,
See my previous post about over watering. My plants are very leafy. Yet, the stems seem strong. I doubt flushing my soil that has no chem ferts will remove the excess N. Is it possible to flush in Rols?

Flushingly yours,
M
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Magdup

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I think you r right with the flushing. Maybe transplanting into plain organic soil can still help so the roots can go somwher with not so high N levels. But thats just an idea.
 
calliandra

calliandra

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Mazer said:
Dear Gentlefolks,
Forgive me for being insistent but the "Claw" is truly bothering me. I am fairly certain it is caused by N toxicity (what a horrendous term!)
I have a fairly simple routine. Every week I water once with SST (mugo, alfalfa, or diastatic barley), once with a Worm Compost tea, and once with coco water. When in vegg I also use a foliar spray of fermented plant extract (neetle, comfrey, horstail) every other day+ a weekly neem oil foliar application.
Should I stop adding anything but water to the soil? do the SSTs, WTC, Coco contribute to the high levels of N?
I am out of ideas. Any suggestions on how to reduce the N in my soil would be more than welcome. I understand it is a bit unorthodox to try to lower N but I am extremely reluctant on disposing of a soil mix that cost me about a week salary and starting anew.

ClipTheClawingly yours,
M
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Ah I have seen this too, unfortunately I don't have an answer (yet? haha).
From what is visible on the pix, otherwise your plants are doing great, is that correct?!
Then I'd just let them go.
You can get rid of your nitrogen by adding carbon-heavy material btw. (as Magdup kindly shared a link to :D).
But I agree with those who have said it's probably not really an N issue.

One thing I learned obsessing about those curly tips is, that if the cause is overwatering, they won't be uncurling anymore. That is, your conditions may have returned to ideal, but you will continue seeing those signs that appeared when they dipped under, they won't reverse.
In my case, I saw how the affected leaves were about the same age - older and younger leaves not having those symptoms, and finally concluded I must've messed up sometime and not noticed.
lol maybe I was just fed up with thinking about it inconclusively ;)
Cheers!
 
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