Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

hillbill

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Fish bone meal is a great replacement for high P guano. Porcine bone meal from MG or whatever brand is almost even in N and P and I use it occasionally but mostly
on ornamentals now. Blood meal not used here anymore. In fact, almost all my N sources are slow or medium release and usually provide other majors. Alfalfa, feather meal, fish meal, Neem meal all are good as well as composted poultry litter.

It is sometimes good to remember that NPKetc are determined by weight, not volume. Been organic in my Grow for ten years and reamend used mix which is now 30% or more of my mix.
 

Chronikool

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I saw that at the garden show and thought it would be too big.
Wish I had gotten it now.
The one I bought can't keep up so I expanded into cloth pots outdoors.
Yeah itz really good...(about a month in)...no smell...quality build...leachate catcher.

I wanted a indoor bin to compliment my compost holes (dig a hole...throw in food scraps...cover with soil...mark it...wait 8 weeks...more species of worms come in) and outside bins...
 

Chunky Stool

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Fish bone meal is a great replacement for high P guano. Porcine bone meal from MG or whatever brand is almost even in N and P and I use it occasionally but mostly
on ornamentals now. Blood meal not used here anymore. In fact, almost all my N sources are slow or medium release and usually provide other majors. Alfalfa, feather meal, fish meal, Neem meal all are good as well as composted poultry litter.

It is sometimes good to remember that NPKetc are determined by weight, not volume. Been organic in my Grow for ten years and reamend used mix which is now 30% or more of my mix.
Fish bone is awesome and for some reason my dogs don't try to eat it like regular bone meal. (not good -- it gives them the squirts.)

I also like crab meal because it's mild (4-3-0), provides calcium, and helps overall tilth. Plus it's cheap at 10 bucks for 5 lbs.
Ever watch Deadliest Catch and wonder what happens to crab that's DOA when they unload?

Now you know... :leaf:
 

hillbill

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We buried fish remains from cleaning in our veggie garden when I was small. I thought every garden had fish scales. Used fish somehow ever since. Someone here turned me on to fish bone meal. Been using it a while and am very happy! Great for top dress.
 

Greenthumbs256

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OK guys I've fixed my soil but I still have issue with one girl! It's a potassium def. What can I use to help her while I wait on the Langbeinite and greensand to come in!
 

SageFromZen

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I'll tell you what I'm using that's worked pretty well for me and I hope I don't get roasted on my ingredients but I'm enjoying the results. Note* That not everything that I use comes of out of pocket. I get plenty of schwagg and samples from the Emerald Cup every year. Not to mention I've got a really cool hydro shop here in the east bay that I broh' with super hot chile pepper plants for display in their store under lights and they broh' me back with killer prices and freebies.

Using a big blue tarp I remove the end of season soil from every smart pot that I used and then remove as much of the seasons root matter as possible. I then dust Azos to what's spread on the tarp and mix together thoroughly. Then I scoop everything back up into the same smart pots that I started with and let them set out under open raining skies all winter long.

Once things dry up a bit and the sun comes out in the spring I lay out the tarp and pull the smart pots over that have been washed by the rains over the last few months and add more of the original recipe from the previous year as follows:

I use a 50/50 mix of Roots Organic Regular to VermiFire soil and that's what I use as a base and comprises most of my total cost. Depending on what's laying on the tarp that I've recycled from the previous year I'll add a half a part of newly mixed RO/VF and blend accordingly. This way it's diluted and isn't so hot.

Now, I don't have exact measurements of the following amendments in that it's reliant on how much base I'm working with. I do a light dusting of each of the following and then blend it all together.

Oats
Organic brown rice powder
Crushed egg shells
Mykos
Plant Success Great White
Roots Organic Uprising Foundation (ie: http://www.aurorainnovations.org/uprising-foundation.html )
Insect Frass
Self harvested, aged and fossilized sparrow/native east bay bird guanos
Ancient Forest Alaskan Humus
Wood ash
OG Tea Veganic Special Sauce(both mixed into the base and I water using it as well) (ie: www.ogtea.com )

The mixture is then loaded from the tarp into a couple of Rubbermaid trashcans that I leave in the sun with the lids on until ready for use come late March. Now, when my babies are ready for transplant from their 4 inch containers I scoop the mixture into the desired smart pots and once transplanted I leave them out in the rain to wake everything up in the mixture.

VermiFire and Roots alone as a 50/50 mix cover just about everything and what's breaking down in the Roots Organic Uprising Foundation fills in the gaps(Hit the link and spy the ingredients). The oats and brown rice powder act as food and are quickly colonized by any number of the 17 species of mycorrhizal fungi and 14 species of bacteria between the Great White, Mycos and whatever leftover Azos that was planted last winter. The sparrow guano breaks down as a nitrogen source and the wood ash buffers the ph and insect frass complete the mix.
 

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hillbill

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Gnatrol has made my reuse of mixes much more enjoyable and solves even an imported gnat problem quickly. I always had some gnat around even with dunks and other organic controls. Gnats when I had them seemed to come in with composts of various kinds and castings or media. I’ve had them in the best name brands we all know but have not used Fox Farm or Roots but know they can be gnatty also. Gnats love the same soil type thing that we love for our plants and they are all over this planet and dozens of species at that.

I must store some things outside where there are vast armies of fungus gnats from now 'til Christmas. Gnatrol takes the worry out of bringing stored components or used mix back in.
 

SageFromZen

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I'll tell you what I'm using that's worked pretty well for me and I hope I don't get roasted on my ingredients but I'm enjoying the results. Note* That not everything that I use comes of out of pocket. I get plenty of schwagg and samples from the Emerald Cup every year. Not to mention I've got a really cool hydro shop here in the east bay that I broh' with super hot chile pepper plants for display in their store under lights and they broh' me back with killer prices and freebies.

Using a big blue tarp I remove the end of season soil from every smart pot that I used and then remove as much of the seasons root matter as possible. I then dust Azos to what's spread on the tarp and mix together thoroughly. Then I scoop everything back up into the same smart pots that I started with and let them set out under open raining skies all winter long.

Once things dry up a bit and the sun comes out in the spring I lay out the tarp and pull the smart pots over that have been washed by the rains over the last few months and add more of the original recipe from the previous year as follows:

I use a 50/50 mix of Roots Organic Regular to VermiFire soil and that's what I use as a base and comprises most of my total cost. Depending on what's laying on the tarp that I've recycled from the previous year I'll add a half a part of newly mixed RO/VF and blend accordingly. This way it's diluted and isn't so hot.

Now, I don't have exact measurements of the following amendments in that it's reliant on how much base I'm working with. I do a light dusting of each of the following and then blend it all together.

Oats
Organic brown rice powder
Crushed egg shells
Mykos
Plant Success Great White
Roots Organic Uprising Foundation (ie: http://www.aurorainnovations.org/uprising-foundation.html )
Insect Frass
Self harvested, aged and fossilized sparrow/native east bay bird guanos
Ancient Forest Alaskan Humus
Wood ash
OG Tea Veganic Special Sauce(both mixed into the base and I water using it as well) (ie: www.ogtea.com )

The mixture is then loaded from the tarp into a couple of Rubbermaid trashcans that I leave in the sun with the lids on until ready for use come late March. Now, when my babies are ready for transplant from their 4 inch containers I scoop the mixture into the desired smart pots and once transplanted I leave them out in the rain to wake everything up in the mixture.

VermiFire and Roots alone as a 50/50 mix cover just about everything and what's breaking down in the Roots Organic Uprising Foundation fills in the gaps(Hit the link and spy the ingredients). The oats and brown rice powder act as food and are quickly colonized by any number of the 17 species of mycorrhizal fungi and 14 species of bacteria between the Great White, Mycos and whatever leftover Azos that was planted last winter. The sparrow guano breaks down as a nitrogen source and the wood ash buffers the ph and insect frass complete the mix.
You have to remember that I'm totally cheating. That's kinda the point. I grow six medical plants a year so what I'm doing is completely impractical to production growers. The objective behind my thinking was to use things thta I already had laying around. See, the Great White, the Veganic Special Sauce, Uprising Foundation and the Mykos were all freebies. Didn't pay a dime for them. I have these and so many more samples that have just been sitting in the shed since the 2016 Cup. Half of em' I don't even have interest in and were thrown out!

So I took an inventory of what was left in front of me that I thought might accommodate last years recycled VF/RO amended blend. I used Veganic Special Sauce all last season and I am rather 'impressed' with its performance so I've employed it this year too. Works differently than a compost tea albeit is being marketed as a brew-less compost tea alternative. I thought it worked very well hand in hand with unsulphured blackstrap molasses staggered every other watering.

One might notice the ingredients all put together. My total out of pocket: $46.00. *Which, was the whole point behind these two back to back posts. LMMFAO!!! I'll shut up now. Over and OUT!

VermiFire Soil:
Ingredients: Coco Coir, Peat, Redwood, Compost, Alaskan Humus, Castings, Cinders, Perlite, Bat Guano, Mycorrhizal Fungi, Alfalfa Meal, Blood Meal, Kelp Meal, Feather Meal, Bone Meal, Sulfate of Potash and Greensand.

Roots Organic Regular Soil:
Perlite, Coco Fiber, Peat Moss, Composted Forest Material, Pumice, Worm Castings, Bat Guano, Soybean Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Fish Bone Meal, Kelp Meal, and Greensand

Insect Frass

Mykos

Alaskan Forest Humus

Crushed egg shells

Oats and organic brown rice powder

Roots Organic Uprising Foundation:
DERIVED FROM
Fish Bone Meal, Oyster Shell Flour, Kelp Meal, Greensand, Non GMO Soybean Meal, Glacial Rock Dust, Non GMO Alfalfa Meal, Feather Meal, Bat Guano and Langbeinite. Also contains non plant food ingredient Humic Acid

Great White:
Endomycorrhiza
Glomus aggregatum – 83 props per gram
Glomus intraradices – 83 props per gram
Glomus mosseae – 83 props per gram
Glomus etunicatum – 83 props per gram
Glomus clarum – 11 props per gram
Glomus monosporum – 11 props per gram
Paraglomus brazilianum – 11 props per gram
Glomus deserticola – 11 props per gram
Gigaspora margarita – 11 props per gram

Ectomycorrhiza
Pisolithus tinctorious – 187,875 propagules per gram
Rhizopogon luteolus – 5,219 props per gram
Rhizopogon fulvigleba – 5,219 props per gram
Rhizopogon villosullus – 5,219 props per gram
Rhizopogon amylopogon – 5,219 props per gram
Scleroderma citrinum – 5,219 props per gram
Scleroderma cepa – 5,219 props per gram

Bacteria
Azotobacter chroococcum – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus subtilis – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus licheniformis – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus azotoformans – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus megaterium – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus coagulans – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus pumilus – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus thuringiensis – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Bacillus amyloliquefaciens – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Paenibacillus durum – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Paenibacillus polymyxa – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Saccharomyces cerevisiae – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Pseudomonas aureofaciens – 525,000 CFU’s per gram
Pseudomonas fluorescens – 525,000 CFU’s per gram

Trichoderma koningii-187,875 CFU’s per gram
Trichoderma harzianum-125,250 CFU’s per gram

 
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Chunky Stool

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Gnatrol has made my reuse of mixes much more enjoyable and solves even an imported gnat problem quickly. I always had some gnat around even with dunks and other organic controls. Gnats when I had them seemed to come in with composts of various kinds and castings or media. I’ve had them in the best name brands we all know but have not used Fox Farm or Roots but know they can be gnatty also. Gnats love the same soil type thing that we love for our plants and they are all over this planet and dozens of species at that.

I must store some things outside where there are vast armies of fungus gnats from now 'til Christmas. Gnatrol takes the worry out of bringing stored components or used mix back in.
I've had good luck with mosquito bits. Just gotta soak em 15 mins or so before watering in.
They're cheap when bought in bulk.

If you don't like dealing with the little pieces of aggregate, MicrobeLift makes a concentrated liquid that also works well.

https://www.123ponds.com/elbmc6.html
4 drops treats 5 gallons
 

hillbill

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Gnatrol take 1 to 3 tsp/gal. I used dunks for about 7 years before I saw Gnatrol so highly touted on this forum a few months ago. No drama and no gnats. Fast!
 
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