Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Where can I learn the basics? I'm paying over $30 a bag for Happy Frog and throwing it away after every grow. Is this possible to do entirely indoors?
Recycling soil is the way to go, i dont throw soil away anymore. You can use bacteria and enzymes to break down the roots and create healthy media for new root growth. You let worms do the work if youre growing organic. Im doing canna line w some added nectar products. I also use 25ml/gal coconut water.
 
My plants started drooping a few days ago about an hour before lights went off. Every day since then they are drooping earlier and earlier. Today they started drooping 6 hours before lights out. Anything to worry about? I'm running my soil in a SIP and it doesn't seem too moist or anything. It is perky as hell midday.


Edit/ I think it's vpd
Ive had the same problem. I think its from light intensity
 
hello forum, hello thread!!! ive been wanting to get into no till organics for at least 6 years now... but im still mixing nutes with coco dtw... i run photos, but wanted to get some autos going in a no till setup, in veg room.... now im stuck with a few questions, 1 is could i fit 4 pots in a 3x3 space, for autos??? or should i do a bed??? autos would be on a perpetual/staggered schedule.... if pots whats a good size, i keep reading 15gallons for no till, seems a bit much for an auto, but i do grow in 1-2 gallon pots with coco... also i am sourcing ingredients, wanting to cut cost, as this would be a trial... is all compost good, should i look for certain ingredients, what about this stuff i found locally https://www.missouriorganic.com/compost ?any of these good??? awesome thread btw, lots of good info... if i have a good trial period, i will start looking into worm bins, and composting bins, but for now i just wanna get some organics going to compare with what i already trust, and know... thanks
3'x3' is perfect for 4 autos. Put them in 7gal grow bags. As you know coco is the best. Youll get 2.5oz ea.
 
If this is for indoor no-till, you'll want more surface area than depth. I wouldn't go much more than 50 cm deep with the maximum surface area that allows it to fit in the tent but with enough room to see and extract excess runoff should that occur. Cannabis roots can easily go deep, but in a pot you risk more drainage and aerobic issues the deeper your pot is. Plus the surface is where the exchange of fresh air and CO2 from the soil bacteria respiration happens. The surface is also where the decomposition of your mulches and other surface amendments occur, and it's more difficult keep that cycling going full-throttle if you just don't have the room. Also, vertical height is a major constraint for those of us who grow indoors in tents. If you have red wriggler worms in your pot, they prefer shallower depths and lurk just under or right in your humus layer. More surface area means more area for cover crops too if you choose that route.

If this isn't no-till and you're growing outdoors, it will still grow okay and extra depth may help in retaining moisture during those dry hot summer days as long as your pot and soil drains well.
Hey North Wood, i like your name
 

topdawg09

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Hey North Wood, i like your name
Hi bud, I've been lurking on these forums over a decade as my username suggests. In that time I have gained a lot of extra and grows under my belt - some successful and of course some failures. I hope to now become and active member and contribute by posting. Enough about me though lol

I have seen the fabric pots that are really wide and can fit hundreds of litres of soil but aren't big on height. I always the deeper the bed the more space for roots - and happy roots means happy plants.
 

hillbill

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Hi bud, I've been lurking on these forums over a decade as my username suggests. In that time I have gained a lot of extra and grows under my belt - some successful and of course some failures. I hope to now become and active member and contribute by posting. Enough about me though lol

I have seen the fabric pots that are really wide and can fit hundreds of litres of soil but aren't big on height. I always the deeper the bed the more space for roots - and happy roots means happy plants.
I joined when you did and I think it was 4years before I posted.
 

2cent

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So i follow a dude on ic who has giant mofo yeilds. Like giant hydro lookin.. I had a coots mix lined up.
But this dude pulls somuch i wana copy his recipie.
How is it not hot? Any 1 tried anything similar
He grows right in it 2 wks on cook.
21 gal compost
7.5 gal coir
12.5 gal peat
3 gal EWC
3 gal black kow
2.5 gal vermiculite
2.5 gal permatil
6 gal perlite

3 3/4c - alfalfa meal
1 2/3c - aragonite
2 1/2c - azomite
3 1/3c - bat guano(N)
2 1/2c - bat guano(P)
1c - blood meal
5c - bone meal
1 2/3c - calcitic limestone
5 1/3c - crab meal
1c - diatomaceous earth/calcium bentonite
3 1/3c - dolomitic limestone
2 1/2c - dry molasses
1/2c - elemental sulfur
1c - feather meal
5c - greensand
2 1/2c - gypsum
2c - humic/fulvic
5 1/3c - kelp meal
2/3c - potassium sulfate
3 1/3c - rock phosphate
2c - sul-po-mg
8 1/8c - chicmen shit 3 3 4
 

bobrown14

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Not organic .... yields OK I grow in Coots mix and my mix is 7 years old same soil.

I pull on average 2.2#s dried trimmed in the can per 5x5 @ 600W in 60days flower.

You can't fit more weed in that space. Double dare ya but go for it.

The beauty of Coots mix is the simplicity and short list of inputs, oh and the yields.
 

2cent

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Not organic .... yields OK I grow in Coots mix and my mix is 7 years old same soil.

I pull on average 2.2#s dried trimmed in the can per 5x5 @ 600W in 60days flower.

You can't fit more weed in that space. Double dare ya but go for it.

The beauty of Coots mix is the simplicity and short list of inputs, oh and the yields.
I kept looking cause ive trie to find peeps with coots groewing trees n pullin zs.
What is 2.2#?

My chemical line under 600wat i get atleast 400gram mostlybmore 6-700 on big strains
on a shy plant groeing 4plants 400gs me bottom.

Im worried if i get coots up abd i end up like diarys am prowsing 25gram plants id be destroyed lol.

This dudes pullin daft figures and trees so i followed on. Costing a fortune to price up as it all wants 1 cup here and there n i can only get it in 25kg bags haha

But if coots i sae some beasts id mix it up tomorow i got all them amendments already. Chasing extras for ther big list during shitty lockdowns a ball ache

Plant centre "u cant come in tell us at the door.."
"i need 25 different amendments if u have em" lol 3hrs later...

Got any pics? Im worried to loose what i manage to smoke all of alredy lol
 

bobrown14

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I kept looking cause ive trie to find peeps with coots groewing trees n pullin zs.
What is 2.2#?

My chemical line under 600wat i get atleast 400gram mostlybmore 6-700 on big strains
on a shy plant groeing 4plants 400gs me bottom.

Im worried if i get coots up abd i end up like diarys am prowsing 25gram plants id be destroyed lol.

This dudes pullin daft figures and trees so i followed on. Costing a fortune to price up as it all wants 1 cup here and there n i can only get it in 25kg bags haha

But if coots i sae some beasts id mix it up tomorow i got all them amendments already. Chasing extras for ther big list during shitty lockdowns a ball ache

Plant centre "u cant come in tell us at the door.."
"i need 25 different amendments if u have em" lol 3hrs later...

Got any pics? Im worried to loose what i manage to smoke all of alredy lol
2.2#s = 2.2 pounds or 34zips @ 150/..... in a 5x5

2.2#s/4 plants = 8-9 zips per plant. Thats the best I can do indoors. Do it regularly but its more than 1 person job specially trimming.

Yeah the beauty of Coots is I've already got the ingredients in spades and cheap too.
We do make our own compost/vermi-compost and that's the key. All your ingredients that you listed I wood add a cup of each to my compost bin.... well cept the blood meal yuk. We live in farm country. Have access to plenty of bones.

Make our own pot-ash and sometimes add bones to the fire.
For coots mix I have to source Neem/Karanja, crustacean meal. The rest is bulk we already have it. The other beauty is that if you add a little too much of one input its not going to matter much.

You tip the cup a little heavy with any of the following you got problems:

3 3/4c - alfalfa meal
1 2/3c - aragonite
2 1/2c - azomite
3 1/3c - bat guano(N)
2 1/2c - bat guano(P)
1c - blood meal
5c - bone meal
1 2/3c - calcitic limestone
2/3c - potassium sulfate
3 1/3c - rock phosphate
2c - sul-po-mg
8 1/8c - chicmen shit 3 3 4
c - diatomaceous earth/calcium bentonite
3 1/3c - dolomitic limestone
2 1/2c - dry molasses
1/2c - elemental sulfur
1c - feather meal
5c - greensand

Most all of the above are not necessary. You're overlapping several elements and doubling and tripling them as well.

For example:
Sulfur
Gypsum

You now have to adjust for soil pH out of wack with more Ca. That mix has the Ca source amounts in reverse as well.
Dolomitic Limestone should be 1/2 of your Calcitic limestone.

Coots mix fixes the Ca source with Gypsum and Oyster shell flour as the Ca source as well as your chitin and Ca from Crustacean meal.

Thats a very complicated recipe that you likely wood have to compost several weeks before use.
Coots mix I've mixed and planted the same afternoon.

Also I wouldn't plant anything in your mix without a soil test to verify your on target.

Coots mix I get tested annually and amend accordingly.
Which is usually only Kelp meal + EWC + maybe some fish bone meal + malted barley ground and a splash of compost on top as a mulch.

I'm not trying to talk you down off your mix or promote Coots mix. It's all good just arguing the benefits of a simple mix that works over and over is all. Nothing new really.
 

bobrown14

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2.2# = 1kg. It's also about my normal yield in my 5X5 tent with 4 plants in organic no-till. I'd guess this is about an average yield for organic in that amount of space.
I'm bragging a little bit but not much. I've done better but not always and I've pulled less with new genetics. Like now... I started popping beans I've had laying around and get a dud every once in a while instead of running tried and tru gear from clones.

We moved to a new place ... during the move we ended up with hemp mites. OMG that's how I got started over. Hind sight should have ditched everything then moved. I took in a clone during the move/unpack that had the mites. Didn't know about sulfur vaporizer till after I ditched all my keepers.... so sad. Shit spreads like wild fire. Burn the shit down. Everything. Only managed to get rid of them with Sulfur.
 

2cent

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I'm bragging a little bit but not much. I've done better but not always and I've pulled less with new genetics. Like now... I started popping beans I've had laying around and get a dud every once in a while instead of running tried and tru gear from clones.

We moved to a new place ... during the move we ended up with hemp mites. OMG that's how I got started over. Hind sight should have ditched everything then moved. I took in a clone during the move/unpack that had the mites. Didn't know about sulfur vaporizer till after I ditched all my keepers.... so sad. Shit spreads like wild fire. Burn the shit down. Everything. Only managed to get rid of them with Sulfur.
Haha shit 600w 35oz is average for orgsnic coots mix? Really.

Some say u wont get any yeild like that organic but ya get quality. that reflected diarys ive looked thru for weeks.
The dude mixes all up and veg from cut in light mix 2 weeks and plants in.
Its meant to be throwing diversity snd selection thete which i can see and get on but its gona take months ordering bit to get it here where i need 200g i can only order 25, 000g lol so il work on that and side by side it.

So

Ur sayin its heavy yields like what i see on ic.

The ewc i got here.
Is greenhand organic ebay leaf mould snd manure and its £15 for 8litres.
Willys worms feeds potatoes and paper only £10 for 20 lires.
Found a dude with manure n vegies comPosted wormpoo at dobies npk n11244 p8252 k 7173... Non others list npk but him.


I so wish i had farmer mates.
If ur gettin a 35oz pull bro il do the coots if thats what u do. Do u change anything? Which recipie u following i know theres a few variants. Peeps i found eith it grow baby 12/12s and its killin me seeing 15gram plants and hsppy faces i grow trees bro and sm sure u do lol
 

bobrown14

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My seedlings are 15g. lol

I run red spec COB lamps tho. I have 6 COBs 4 are 3K and 2 are 1750K all running at 100w each.
VEG in HLG with R-spec full on.

Usually in the first 2-3 weeks of flower my plants are at the lights and I gotta start super cropping.

Its real .... jungle time in the indoor garden. Last summer my first outdoor I grew 18 zip plant in a 35 gal container in the sun in coots mix. I hadda chop it down with a ladder at 14 feet tall. First try.

I did a patch in the woods 7 plants all but 2 of them were well over 12 feet tall. We were trimming for a month and a half. For the patch run I dug holes in the ground (ouch) and filled with a new coots mix. Just mixed and right into holes with VEG plants like 2 days after the last snow fall (may 10th).

Took down the 14 footer last week of September.... was full on trim for 2 months after that. I had an indoor crop early September then all the outdoor ..... I've seen more weed fer sure outdoor growers in Cali with fertilizers. Thats a full freaking time job tho. I like to kick back and enjoy some of my harvest.
One of the other cool things about Coots mix not much to do during flower. Take pics and super crop.
 

2cent

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My seedlings are 15g. lol

I run red spec COB lamps tho. I have 6 COBs 4 are 3K and 2 are 1750K all running at 100w each.
VEG in HLG with R-spec full on.

Usually in the first 2-3 weeks of flower my plants are at the lights and I gotta start super cropping.

Its real .... jungle time in the indoor garden. Last summer my first outdoor I grew 18 zip plant in a 35 gal container in the sun in coots mix. I hadda chop it down with a ladder at 14 feet tall. First try.

I did a patch in the woods 7 plants all but 2 of them were well over 12 feet tall. We were trimming for a month and a half. For the patch run I dug holes in the ground (ouch) and filled with a new coots mix. Just mixed and right into holes with VEG plants like 2 days after the last snow fall (may 10th).

Took down the 14 footer last week of September.... was full on trim for 2 months after that. I had an indoor crop early September then all the outdoor ..... I've seen more weed fer sure outdoor growers in Cali with fertilizers. Thats a full freaking time job tho. I like to kick back and enjoy some of my harvest.
One of the other cool things about Coots mix not much to do during flower. Take pics and super crop.
Man im jealouse lol. Swappin hlg soon as i crop next round. Got sll me mates on em and i dont have em.
I got 1400watt of 3030 cre leds in 200w pan els tho from a company to test. They kick some balls.
Thats 1 room. Thinming to drop a 600 or 100para in the middle to fire it up a bit end flower. Thats a 7x7 where the live beds off

My other room is 4x8 and 2 600whps in magnum xxls man i had to bolt it thru the tent to the roof no lie lol they hurt.

But yeah in that room i get 40ish every time np.
The led room had a flop last round as the genetic was fire but lowbass yielders. Tryed them this round hps thinkin it was me leds. Nah its the strain.

But barneys asked me to test 3 of their cali strains sent me 9 seeds so im gona live them up.
Mena be fire and heavy indicas..

So i guess after ur woods review.. Lol il do ths coots as per his page.
Il cook the other mix and fire it up in my 4x8 as that has 4 weeks left. Then veg 3 week in airpots.

This room im gona do the full 7x7 i think.
 

Northwood

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Some say u wont get any yeild like that organic but ya get quality.
Lots of experienced growers get yields like that under organic, however I think most of use use more than 600 watts to achieve it. lol

Quite awhile back I posted a thread of my regular light bulb grow, like the kind of lights they sell at Walmart and Costco. It was also organic (no-till) in a 5X5 tent, and yielded 1075 grams of cured bud in organic no-till. Right here (lots of photos): https://www.rollitup.org/t/my-budget-5x5-setup.982183/
 
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