Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

SouthernSoil*

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good day all, could i ask if im using two mixes which have dolomite lime and calcitic lime would it be better to use de chlorinated tap water or R.O water? I already have R.O water but we mineralize with himalayan salt, ive been thinking about installing a mineralizer on the last stage and splitting the two if needed.
 

Rurumo

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good day all, could i ask if im using two mixes which have dolomite lime and calcitic lime would it be better to use de chlorinated tap water or R.O water? I already have R.O water but we mineralize with himalayan salt, ive been thinking about installing a mineralizer on the last stage and splitting the two if needed.
It depends on your tap water. Tap water is mostly fine unless it has a super high alkalinity. What is your tap water ph, ppms, and alkalinity/total hardness if you know them? If you live in a municipality you can find the tests online.
 

Rurumo

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@Rurumo - I use a ton of Epsom on my sativa strains. Anything that gets red stems

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I always use it in my coco/mineral salt grows, but I'll def have enough magnesium in my no till mix-unless of course enough is just not available right away. I'm totally convinced that epsom salts help make dank buds-but there are a lot of ways to get that sulfur. I like how people are using lots of gypsum in their no till recipes. Discovering gypsum was a revelation for me in my early outdoor gardening career-it performs magic on clay soils and it has that same "dank bud" effect as epsom.
 

DonPetro

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I always use it in my coco/mineral salt grows, but I'll def have enough magnesium in my no till mix-unless of course enough is just not available right away. I'm totally convinced that epsom salts help make dank buds-but there are a lot of ways to get that sulfur. I like how people are using lots of gypsum in their no till recipes. Discovering gypsum was a revelation for me in my early outdoor gardening career-it performs magic on clay soils and it has that same "dank bud" effect as epsom.
@Rurumo - I use a ton of Epsom on my sativa strains. Anything that gets red stems

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How do you guys use the epsom? Just apply to the soil as a topdress or is it in the mix?
 

SouthernSoil*

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It depends on your tap water. Tap water is mostly fine unless it has a super high alkalinity. What is your tap water ph, ppms, and alkalinity/total hardness if you know them? If you live in a municipality you can find the tests online.
Thanks for the reply Rurumo, i could take a look online but seeing as i live in South-Africa the likelihood of those tests being true are low. The last thing i want is something like arsenic in the water. Let me change the topic. How should i be using R.O water in no-till ?
These are my two mixes :
Mix 1 : Organic Compost, Vermicompost (worm castings), Sphagnum Peat Moss, Coco Coir, Perlite, Biochar, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Bone Meal, Soft Rock Phosphate, Insect Frass, Dolomite Lime, Gypsum, Basalt Rock Dust, Zeolite, Malted Barley, Diatomaceous Earth, Humic Acid
Mix 2 : Peat, Pumice, Earthworm castings, alfalfa meal , biochar, crushed barley, zeolite, cannakashi, basalt rock dust, soft rock phosate, diatamaceous earth, seabird guano, gypsum, dolomitic lime & calcitic lime
 

living gardening

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Ive been reading up on organic growing for a little bit now. Still learning but this sounds expensive.

I want to run 12 plants outdoors in 10gal fabric pots. Id need 18CF. Following coots mix and sourcing all the amendments online im at $180 just in amendments.

Need 3CF EWC, 6CF pumice (can I use expanded clay pebbles) and 9CF CSPM.

EWC 30lb bags are about $30 and 4 are needed thats $120 there.

CSPM is cheap $11 / 3CF so $33

Pumice is expensive. I can find drainage rock for $
Any tips on ways to save?
You could try Poultry Grit from a feed mill. Most are made from Granite. This will improve the ec and give you aeration.
 

BeeAreBee

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My soil has been being worked almost ten years now.
I joined the PFA (probiotic farmers alliance) on Facebook and never looked back. I started in earthboxes and diy versions. But now, all that + some new went into a new grassroots 4x4 soil bed.
Im using chilleds x3 and a diy photoboost strip from green gene.
Just bought myself some inhouse genetics to kick off the new bed.
Clover Covercrop and companions coming in (like rosemary, lavender, cilantro beans, etc.)20210412_201917.jpg

Im Stoked!

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Btw, how do i, like , a post or comment? I dont seem to have the option...
 

sirtalis

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I have some unsprouted 2-row barley seed I bought to grow, and it didn't give me enough yield for brewing beer.

I'm considering sprouting it, blending it and using it as a top dress then covering with straw. Is that what you guys would do with barley seeds lying around?
 

Northwood

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My soil has been being worked almost ten years now.
I joined the PFA (probiotic farmers alliance) on Facebook and never looked back. I started in earthboxes and diy versions. But now, all that + some new went into a new grassroots 4x4 soil bed.
Im using chilleds x3 and a diy photoboost strip from green gene.
Just bought myself some inhouse genetics to kick off the new bed.
Clover Covercrop and companions coming in (like rosemary, lavender, cilantro beans, etc.)
Those grassroots beds are pretty cheap here finally, and they would make such an amazing upgrade from my current ghetto setup. I'm just not motivated to change over due to it being a great disturbance to my soil which I've kept in that same pot for 8 cycles now. And when I stared this I used soil in another no-till setup, but 15 gallon bins that were easy to incorporate into the 4" diameter fabric pot without disturbing too much. I had those ones for years.

I'll definitely change over if we ever get a different house or that fabric pot I have now finally falls apart. Lol
 

Nwtexan

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Curious to hear what folks do with no till and SIPS as far as amending and preparing between cycles. I’m imagining at very least to clean up reservoir of roots and soil.
What would you do as far as amending? I did the trench thing with a bit of dr earth flower girl. Put some malted barley on top, straw, then plastix
 

m4s73r

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I think you'll do awesome with that! I'm pretty hyped to try out biochar after reading about that legendary terra preta soil in the amazon that's super fertile after hundreds of years. I'm also going slightly "off book" with amendments-adding some alfalfa, fish bone meal too. Cootz always left out bone meals, but one thing I've learned in my outdoor grows is that fish bone meal especially produces extremely dank buds. Not sure why exactly, it might just be the fish proteins because I get the same effect from fish compost and fish hydrolysate. I see no reason to leave out the phosphorus rich bone meals because the research I've read shows that these organic sources of P don't suppress the microbiome like high P mineral salts do. I've been totally unable to locate either pumic or lava rocks locally and the 5 cubic feet I would need would cost me $200+ from BAS. The really irritating thing is I could buy a pallet of like 57 bags of 3/8" lava rock from a distributor 40 min away from me for...you guessed it, $200.... but I'd need to get someone to deliver it. So I'm just going to use perlite, which I already have, lol. Good luck with your grow, looking forward to seeing all these new projects people have been working on bear fruit!
Use vermiculite with that perlite.
 

Vbz.420

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With organic living soil would one have to worry about PHing the water each time? Or the microbes do the work?
 

Rurumo

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With organic living soil would one have to worry about PHing the water each time? Or the microbes do the work?
most people will flat out say NO, but it really depends on your water. If your water has very high alkalinity and/or PH then over time you will start seeing things lock out. My water is highly alkaline so I always ph it with citric acid, but I don't outdoors in my veggie garden and I have chronic iron lockout out there. It's equally important to follow the recipes and add enough oyster shell, because people with lower alkalinity water might see the opposite result if they don't lime it enough.
 

Vbz.420

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most people will flat out say NO, but it really depends on your water. If your water has very high alkalinity and/or PH then over time you will start seeing things lock out. My water is highly alkaline so I always ph it with citric acid, but I don't outdoors in my veggie garden and I have chronic iron lockout out there. It's equally important to follow the recipes and add enough oyster shell, because people with lower alkalinity water might see the opposite result if they don't lime it enough.
How would that ratio with 2 g pots and 7 ? Realizing its needed would this only work if mixed in soil or can it be top dressed? Since I already mixed my soil about 2 weeks ago for a cook.. Thanks for lookin out as Always Rurumo
 

Rurumo

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How would that ratio with 2 g pots and 7 ? Realizing its needed would this only work if mixed in soil or can it be top dressed? Since I already mixed my soil about 2 weeks ago for a cook.. Thanks for lookin out as Always Rurumo
Which recipe did you use for your soil? Did you use either oyster shell or dolomite? There is a pretty wide range of amounts of these "liming agents" that work, you might be just fine.
 

Vbz.420

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Which recipe did you use for your soil? Did you use either oyster shell or dolomite? There is a pretty wide range of amounts of these "liming agents" that work, you might be just fine.
I havent got a hold of any atm just a basic happy frog base / worm castings / added pearlite and thats about it until flower and organic 444
 

Rurumo

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I havent got a hold of any atm just a basic happy frog base / worm castings / added pearlite and thats about it until flower and organic 444
You might be fine, it really comes down to your water. Do you know the PH of your tap water? If you're on city water, you can usually find a report online that has that info, plus things like alkalinity, total hardness, and calcium level, which are sometimes good to know too.
 

Vbz.420

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You might be fine, it really comes down to your water. Do you know the PH of your tap water? If you're on city water, you can usually find a report online that has that info, plus things like alkalinity, total hardness, and calcium level, which are sometimes good to know too.
They'll be outside too if that makes a difference. Will be watering with phd Ro water when rain isnt taking over. I have a thread under organics as well if u wanna check it out gonna be posting everything there im not trying to clog this thread with my noob questions. haha
 
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