Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[x713]

ive been using a couple products from dragonfly earth medicine.they pretty much do all the hard work and shred up all the good stuff into a veg/flower mix pretty awesome.they have a good leaf spray that has kelp,comfrey,alfalfa and all the good stuff. been using it for a couple months and has had a great success nice strong plants

 

[Mohican]

AN Grow A and B has salicylic acid in it. You can smell it - kinda smells like vinegar. Acetic acid is used in the synthesis process of SA. Open a bottle of aspirin and you can smell it.

 

[x713]

dont let an find out you know their magic secret

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

I only used lime when I did super soil before I learned it takes years for lime to break down. Coco, compost, teas, egg shells, etc... Are enough for a buffer.

how does the Coco affect your media ph? I keep reading peat peat peat is way to go. I get coco for less than peat. Would a 33% Coco, 33% Rice Hulls and 33% Pure worm gold plus do the trick? Maybe a nutrient pack from Build a Soil. Its seems to have the goodies in it. A local brewery will get me the rice hulls at cost. Do you think this is a recyclable soil?

 

[hyroot]

how does the Coco affect your media ph? I keep reading peat peat peat is way to go. I get coco for less than peat. Would a 33% Coco, 33% Rice Hulls and 33% Pure worm gold plus do the trick? Maybe a nutrient pack from Build a Soil. Its seems to have the goodies in it. A local brewery will get me the rice hulls at cost. Do you think this is a recyclable soil?

I never check ph. No point. Its living organics. Imo if you have coco in your mix, no need for rice hulls or pumice it perlite. The coco provides enough aeration along with cec.


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I'm really diggin having coco in my mix. My last batch was 50/50 coco / soil in 5 gals. Those dried out too fast. Now I'm rocking 30/70 coco /soil in 10 gals. Any pumice or perlite in there is left over from old recycled soil.


my mix is 30% coco , 40% peat, 30% vermicompost.

 

[reasonevangelist]

i tried looking around, what is this "cootz mix" you mentioned before? I've seen lots of different recipes, but nothing attached to that name.

Let's assume i need to build an organic living soil tomorrow, and don't have time to build my own worm bin, and can't source anything locally.

What is the cheapest acceptable way to start an organic living soil mix that i can continue improving as i go, while using it?

I guess the super simplified version is "peat/coco, worm castings, rock dust," but i have no idea how to compare products, and don't know which products to avoid.

If you guys know of a shortest possible list of least expensive acceptable purchasable ingredients, i'd like to see it.

You could say "get peat," but i'll ask: "which peat?"
You could say "add coco," but i'll ask: "which coco?"
You could say "get EWC," and i'll ask: "which kind, from where?"

My brain is burning out from trying to slash my way through multiple different forums and seeing a plethora of recipes but without understanding how to compare products to determine what to buy.

Example: i don't want anything made by any monsanto affiliate. I don't know how many brands use any of their crap, but i don't want any of their poison anywhere near me.

How many other evil nute/product producers exist? Who to avoid? Who to recommend?

I also don't want to go around and find individual products and then start a thread for each one like: "is this okay? should i use this?" because that will just add more forum congestion.


lol this feels like desperation... maybe it is.

 

[hyroot]

I use premiere peat moss, cocotek or cocomor coco. store bought castings - agrowynn. Store bought compost - Malibu bu's blend or homemade from the local nursery.

cootz mix is the standard recipe with rols. Mine is adjusted though. I use the same nutes. Kelp meal, neem meal, rock dust, crab meal in varying amounts. I buy the down to earth line or keep it simple organics.

having your own worm bin is the best way to go for castings / compost.

 

[legaleyes13]

Quick question for you guys/girls that use 200x aloe powder extract... how much am I supposed to use per gallon for watering and for foliar?

Thanks in advance.

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

i tried looking around, what is this "cootz mix" you mentioned before? I've seen lots of different recipes, but nothing attached to that name.

Let's assume i need to build an organic living soil tomorrow, and don't have time to build my own worm bin, and can't source anything locally.

What is the cheapest acceptable way to start an organic living soil mix that i can continue improving as i go, while using it?

I guess the super simplified version is "peat/coco, worm castings, rock dust," but i have no idea how to compare products, and don't know which products to avoid.

If you guys know of a shortest possible list of least expensive acceptable purchasable ingredients, i'd like to see it.

You could say "get peat," but i'll ask: "which peat?"
You could say "add coco," but i'll ask: "which coco?"
You could say "get EWC," and i'll ask: "which kind, from where?"

My brain is burning out from trying to slash my way through multiple different forums and seeing a plethora of recipes but without understanding how to compare products to determine what to buy.

Example: i don't want anything made by any monsanto affiliate. I don't know how many brands use any of their crap, but i don't want any of their poison anywhere near me.

How many other evil nute/product producers exist? Who to avoid? Who to recommend?

I also don't want to go around and find individual products and then start a thread for each one like: "is this okay? should i use this?" because that will just add more forum congestion.


lol this feels like desperation... maybe it is.

build a soil dot com good info. never tried im a wussy.

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

I use premiere peat moss, cocotek or cocomor coco. store bought castings - agrowynn. Store bought compost - Malibu bu's blend or homemade from the local nursery.

cootz mix is the standard recipe with rols. Mine is adjusted though. I use the same nutes. Kelp meal, neem meal, rock dust, crab meal in varying amounts. I buy the down to earth line or keep it simple organics.

having your own worm bin is the best way to go for castings / compost.

Thanks for the information. awesome to have. So why is chitin so important for feeding worms? Is it for fungi food?

 

[OutofLEDCloset]

I never check ph. No point. Its living organics. Imo if you have coco in your mix, no need for rice hulls or pumice it perlite. The coco provides enough aeration along with cec.


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I'm really diggin having coco in my mix. My last batch was 50/50 coco / soil in 5 gals. Those dried out too fast. Now I'm rocking 30/70 coco /soil in 10 gals. Any pumice or perlite in there is left over from old recycled soil.


my mix is 30% coco , 40% peat, 30% vermicompost.

So im close. I know this is the ROLS thread. I just have uno mas question off topic. I only have a 2 by 2 foot print. Using a 190 xgs. If I 3 gallon pots. Should I just remove root ball and then transplant with a topping of EWC? Maybe a new inoculation of microrizahh?

 

[reasonevangelist]

I use premiere peat moss, cocotek or cocomor coco. store bought castings - agrowynn. Store bought compost - Malibu bu's blend or homemade from the local nursery.

cootz mix is the standard recipe with rols. Mine is adjusted though. I use the same nutes. Kelp meal, neem meal, rock dust, crab meal in varying amounts. I buy the down to earth line or keep it simple organics.

having your own worm bin is the best way to go for castings / compost.

thanks man.

 

[x713]

Thanks for the information. awesome to have. So why is chitin so important for feeding worms? Is it for fungi food?

its important to have chitin in your worm poop and soil because it really good at suppressing incest and other nasties in your soil this mixed with neem meal in a soil would be pretty awesome.

 

[Pattahabi]

its important to have chitin in your worm poop and soil because it really good at suppressing incest and other nasties in your soil t

LmFao!!!

 

[jcdws602]

Nasty bugs and their incest! hahaha

 

[x713]

bound to happen when your getting down and dirty with mother earth haha *insects* i do not approve of inbreeding in the soil web

 

[hyroot]

cocomor testing




I was told it doesn't need rinsing . I rinsed it anyway. It appeared that it really needed to be rinsed.


before rinsing


After rinsing

as you can see its not as processed or as fine as other coco. This may improve cec and longevity of this coco.

I mixed it with soil. 30 /70 coco / soil and its in this quantum kush 10 gal pot. all my other plants have cocotek




i love this strain. has that oldschool diesel flavor. Kicks your ass but doesn't put you to sleep.

 

[AllDayToker]

And let the testing begin!

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Ah........ so that's Indagro's new bagged cocco.................you got a price??

 

[hyroot]

Ah........ so that's Indagro's new bagged cocco.................you got a price??

They redid the site finally. no spd that I can find though. It's $22.55 for a cubic foot. which imo is very high priced. I pay less than $10 for 2.5 cubic feet of cocotek. I broke down old soil from this last batch and the cocotek coco is still good. If the cocomor lasts longer or has better cec. It may be worth the extra price. Also it just came out. Price may drop eventually.

http://www.inda-gro.com/Ozone/?q=node/23