Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[Pattahabi]

Mix of Black Widow, Cheeseberry, Grape Stomper OG, Aurora Project, Congo, Motobreath OG, Confidential Cheese.



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[PSUAGRO.]

They redid the site finally. no spd that I can find though. It's $22.55 for a cubic foot. which imo is very high priced. I pay less than $10 for 2.5 cubic feet of cocotek. I broke down old soil from this last batch and the cocotek coco is still good. If the cocomor lastst longer or has better cec. It may be worth the extra price. Also it just came out. Price may drop evebtually.

http://www.inda-gro.com/Ozone/?q=node/23

Its not completely organic(95%) due to the cal buffer?? ask Daryl where they source it from, I'm just guessing Indonesia

have fun with it.......so your off the vegan train now, what's your new regiment like?

 

[DonPetro]

cocomor testing



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I was told it doesn't need rinsing . I rinsed it anyway. It appeared that it really needed to be rinsed.


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as you can see its not as processed or as fine as other coco. This may improve cec and longevity of this coco.

I mixed it with soil. 30 /70 coco / soil and its in this quantum kush 10 gal pot. all my other plants have cocotek

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i love this strain. has that oldschool diesel flavor. Kicks your ass but doesn't put you to sleep.

Looks pretty hungry.

 

[hyroot]

Its not completely organic(95%) due to the cal buffer?? ask Daryl where they source it from, I'm just guessing Indonesia

have fun with it.......so your off the vegan train now, what's your new regiment like?

it comes from Brazil. Inland away from the ocean.

swapped the vegan mix for crab meal. So crab meal, neem meal, rock dust, kelp meal. And alfalfa meal just for veg pots.

 

[Pattahabi]

This is a 15 gallon pot from the last run. I got my cover crop in a little late, but pots are kept just like this till they are ready for the next plant (if there is any time inbetween). The plants pictured above will go right into these containers, veg for a few weeks and then be flowered.



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[hyroot]

Looks pretty hungry.

it was pretty root bound before transplanting. I took that pic last week. Its gotten much greener since. only one watering since transplant of kelp / alfalfa tea. Plus the nutes in the soil

 

[DonPetro]

it was pretty root bound before transplanting. I took that pic last week. Its gotten much greener since. only one watering since transplant of kelp / alfalfa tea. Plus the nutes in the soil

How long do you typically veg for? How many times do you up-pot and what size?

 

[x713]

@hyroot how the was the run off from the coco?i do miss growing in coco the growth is awesome but watering sucks

 

[reasonevangelist]

i almost pulled the trigger on some cocomor... still not sure exactly how much i'll need (15 gal geopot is the intention, and 15gal seems to be 2 cuft...), or if i even need the super high-end coco. Not sure it's worth it in my situation.

 

[hyroot]

How long do you typically veg for? How many times do you up-pot and what size?

I veg for 2 months. Up pot size once. I just lagged on transplants. Was waiting til I had more space. Other plants took longer than expected to finish.

 

[hyroot]

@hyroot how the was the run off from the coco?i do miss growing in coco the growth is awesome but watering sucks

I didn't measure ph. When I rinsed it, it had the red colored run off like like other coco. I rinsed til its clear. mixed it with soil. Not much run off after watering in 10 gals.

 

[hyroot]

i almost pulled the trigger on some cocomor... still not sure exactly how much i'll need (15 gal geopot is the intention, and 15gal seems to be 2 cuft...), or if i even need the super high-end coco. Not sure it's worth it in my situation.

15 gal is about 1.5-2 cu ft. I can't say how good it is. This is my first time using it. They have had great results with it in aquaponics. Much more and faster root growth than they were with hydroton. I don't think mine was fluffed. They just bought machine to fluff it up more like other coco. The company that harvests the coco has been around and doing coco for 50 years. Through inda gro is the first they have been in the U.S. Apparently they didn't know there was a market for it here.

 

[reasonevangelist]

15 gal is about 1.5-2 cu ft. I can't say how good it is. This is my first time using it. They have had great results with it in aquaponics. Much more and faster root growth than they were with hydroton. I don't think mine was fluffed. They just bought machine to fluff it up more like other coco. The company that harvests the coco has been around and doing coco for 50 years. Through inda gro is the first they have been in the U.S. Apparently they didn't know there was a market for it here.

Seems possibly beyond my budget to build a top-tier premium soil at this time (e.g. agrowynn + cocomor + shipping), so i was considering just going with a default BAS mix for now... or maybe something like organic mechanic... i need a good non-peat recipe so i can understand how much of what will be needed, so that i can shop around and compare prices, but i keep getting overwhelmed with all the site hopping. I'm having a hard time finding info about potential local sources for any of this organics stuff. I'm sure i could just stroll down to lowe's and pick up something that isn't what i want, but i'm trying to avoid that. ^^

 

[hyroot]

Seems possibly beyond my budget to build a top-tier premium soil at this time (e.g. agrowynn + cocomor + shipping), so i was considering just going with a default BAS mix for now... or maybe something like organic mechanic... i need a good non-peat recipe so i can understand how much of what will be needed, so that i can shop around and compare prices, but i keep getting overwhelmed with all the site hopping. I'm having a hard time finding info about potential local sources for any of this organics stuff. I'm sure i could just stroll down to lowe's and pick up something that isn't what i want, but i'm trying to avoid that. ^^

i get peat moss at Lowes. Agrowynn has a list of retailers. When I buy that I get it from HydroScape, a landscaping company with locations all over Cali. They carry the malibu compost too. its $22.50 for a bag of castings and $12 for the compost and they have rockdust also. $10 for 10 lbs. of agrowynn rock dust. You can get any other brand coco from any hydro shop or home depot. Inda gro carries rock dust too. the aquaponics elements. Supposedly you only need enough to sprinkle a thin layer.. or so I have been told. I have not used it. So I can't really speak on it.

 

[SpaaaceCowboy]

For you home growers.......what do you mix your soil up in, and where do you store it ?

I guess that's step one for me.....

I'm thinking totes ? Maybe have two ? One that is finished organic soil that I can grab from to pot plants, and another tote where the soil is cooking ?

 

[DonTesla]

I don't buy this. I hear people saying this all of the time, but I feel it's kind of misleading. Why does every recipe call for liming ingredients if ph doesn't matter? Peat is extremely acidic, and without dolo lime, oyster shell flour, etc your ph would be way out of range. I had this happen myself with one of the first batches I made. Miscalculated liming agents and had some pretty severe lockout because of it. I think a good source of humus can *help* buffer ph, but measures do need to be taken beyond that.

for sure mon. some newcomers may want to avoid those headaches…imo one otta gotta divide organics into sub sections..pH, peat- based organics and non pH / non-peat based ( or coir) organics.. cause pH is huge in one and almost a non factor in the other (if you know what you're doing, have a well ammendended soil that can bring u thru both veg and flower, and of course cook everything really well, first, like Petro). We just did a 10 week, gypsum free coir grow, in one gallons, with extremely potent results and glossy fans to the end with pure Ro water 94/95 days. not that we're not gonna add it shortly.. but to me that makes peat a slightly more advanced (difficult) way of growing, and coir the easier, simpler way to go, at least at first..

 

[Pattahabi]

I think Coot said it best:

If a person wanted to pretend that they're growing in 'soil' but are still stuck on bottled nutes then coir is the perfect product to use. If you're striving to create a soil that is alive and uses humus then it's pretty much an open & shut argument - CSPM

HTH

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[DonPetro]

We have a very high humus content in our soil-mix with roughly 20% being coir and we dont use peat at all or anything in a bottle so what does that statement have to do with anything?

 

[Pattahabi]

Not all humus is the same. Some of this is above my paygrade, but look at the stability of humus. I'll be doing more reading on this when I have time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humus

The founders of recycled organic living soil have said peat. The only argument I have heard for coco is it is more sustainable then peat. Then I have to say stop being lazy and use leaf mold. Peat is far more microbial active then coco and has a higher CEC.

I tire of the peat/coco debate. I have seen virtually no documentation from the coco side. If people are going to believe hollow claims, let them.

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[DonTesla]

Look, Im not trying to argue with you. IMO you, and everyone else interested in organics should be trying to turn people on to it, not turn them off with a condescending attitude. Not everyone has the time nor the means to be making everything. I work 50+ hours a week, I have a family of 5, and I enjoy traveling. If its easier for me to stop at the hydro shop for a bottle of pro-tekt than it is to be pissing around with horsetail trying to make it myself then I (nor anyone else) shouldn't be ridiculed for it. The tone of the LOS site turns people away. Offer alternatives to products, not ultimatums.

Myself and others were shamed for using coco coir in our mix at LOS. Like its blasphemy or something. Why is that? I really like using a 50/50 peat/coco coir mix. It's working great for me. Why is that so bad in your view? You guys act like peat is the only organic answer, and yet apparently don't consider the delicate ecosystems that are ruined when these peat bogs are stripped.

Personally I want to see more people make the switch to organics. If people choose to source everything from their back yard then more power to them. If people choose to pick up a couple items from the hydro store then that should be ok too.

50 hours a week assassinating assassins probably!!! can't wait to see your Coir/Peat SxS results brotha! links? BigUP!!