Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[ShLUbY]

I've never used geranium oil but I would suggest buying the oil pure and making your own at the percent weight they did. maybe higher or lower depending. I know citrus oil, rosemary oil, peppermint oil, neem oil, etc. and compost tea foliars can get powedery mildew but try the geranium if you haven't.

yeah i've been using neem and karanja, coupled with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). the alkaloid deters the fungus from growing but it's only effective when applied with an oil to keep it on the leaf. it works really good... but i need to CURE the PM, i don't want to have to keep deterring it. don't know if there is a cure!

they say that potassium bicarbonate (a food grade product) is more effective than the NaHCO3. but it's like 39% K or something like that... i'm worried about burning the leaves with it.... whatchu think?

i know that bottle is mostly water, and like you mentioned i'd source the oil before buying that bottle. was just using it as a reference if anyone had used it before.

I'm also going to get either a germicidal bulb (which emits UVA or UVC, and ozone) to run all the time (when lights are on), or i'm just gonna get an ozone generator to run for a few minutes with fans and exhaust shut off before lights out (or right at lights out).

 

[4ftRoots]

yeah i've been using neem and karanja, coupled with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). the alkaloid deters the fungus from growing but it's only effective when applied with an oil to keep it on the leaf. it works really good... but i need to CURE the PM, i don't want to have to keep deterring it. don't know if there is a cure!

they say that potassium bicarbonate (a food grade product) is more effective than the NaHCO3. but it's like 39% K or something like that... i'm worried about burning the leaves with it.... whatchu think?

i know that bottle is mostly water, and like you mentioned i'd source the oil before buying that bottle. was just using it as a reference if anyone had used it before.

I'm also going to get either a germicidal bulb (which emits UVA or UVC, and ozone) to run all the time (when lights are on), or i'm just gonna get an ozone generator to run for a few minutes with fans and exhaust shut off before lights out (or right at lights out).

If you are spraying with sodium carbonate and the sodium salts don't burn the leaves then I doubt the potassium would burn the leaves if used the same and sprayed with water in between each treatment.
From what I know about chem the potassium and sodium bicarbonate are exactly the same except for the sodium or potassium ion.
I would think the sodium would burn before the potassium burns because sodium ties up more water. But I am not a botanist so take that how you want.
edit: So I would go for it and test a plant first.

 

[4ftRoots]

yeah i've been using neem and karanja, coupled with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda). the alkaloid deters the fungus from growing but it's only effective when applied with an oil to keep it on the leaf. it works really good... but i need to CURE the PM, i don't want to have to keep deterring it. don't know if there is a cure!

Try tea tree oil. I would start really low concentration and work your way up because it is so strong. Back in the day a hospital used it to clean a super bug because it was so strong. I would say if tea tree can't do it your screwed. It is probably the easiest to burn.

 

[ShLUbY]

If you are spraying with sodium carbonate and the sodium salts don't burn the leaves then I doubt the potassium would burn the leaves if used the same and sprayed with water in between each treatment.
From what I know about chem the potassium and sodium bicarbonate are exactly the same except for the sodium or potassium ion.
I would think the sodium would burn before the potassium burns because sodium ties up more water. But I am not a botanist so take that how you want.
edit: So I would go for it and test a plant first.

yeah for sure, i agree, looking at it from a chemistry standpoint, they're basically the same thing... maybe the potassium will even benefit the plant instead of the sodium...

i will get some, and do some test of a few leaves.

 

[Kind Sir]

Ive gotten a few recipes but left my notebook @ work.

I finally have most of my amendments, and wanted to start "cooking" it today. I have..

1 bag Roots Organic Original
1/2 bag Ocean Forest

Purple cow compost
EWC
Perlite (Miracl gro)*?
Sphagnum peat moss (Miracl gro)*?

Fish bone meal
Alfalfa meal
Kelp meal
Crab Shell Meal
Oyster shell flour
Peruvian seabird guano

Glacial rock dust
Coco coir

Id like to add neem seed meal and another mineral, but am curious if I can get by with what I have. Suggestions on recipe/ratios?

 

[ShLUbY]

Ive gotten a few recipes but left my notebook @ work.

I finally have most of my amendments, and wanted to start "cooking" it today. I have..

1 bag Roots Organic Original
1/2 bag Ocean Forest

Purple cow compost
EWC
Perlite (Miracl gro)*?
Sphagnum peat moss (Miracl gro)*?

Fish bone meal
Alfalfa meal
Kelp meal
Crab Shell Meal
Oyster shell flour
Peruvian seabird guano

Glacial rock dust
Coco coir

Id like to add neem seed meal and another mineral, but am curious if I can get by with what I have. Suggestions on recipe/ratios?

you could get by with that, neem seed will be good to add, i think gypsum would be a great addition. BAS has a nice product. i'm sure amazon has some gypsum as well.

1/2cup per cuft of the fishbone, kelp, crab shell, oyster shell.
1/4cup-1/2cup alfalfa (have read it can be "hot" ingredient). I'm not sure as of yet, been mixing it at 1/4cup. i'm composting it from now on though i think, like greasemonkeymannn does.
2 cups per cuft of rock dust
the coir should be mixed with the peat in your base mix.

general base mix: 1 part peat/coir, 1 part drainage, 1 part compost/EWC measure so you can get total cuft. add amendments accordingly.

 

[anzohaze]

Ive gotten a few recipes but left my notebook @ work.

I finally have most of my amendments, and wanted to start "cooking" it today. I have..

1 bag Roots Organic Original
1/2 bag Ocean Forest

Purple cow compost
EWC
Perlite (Miracl gro)*?
Sphagnum peat moss (Miracl gro)*?

Fish bone meal
Alfalfa meal
Kelp meal
Crab Shell Meal
Oyster shell flour
Peruvian seabird guano

Glacial rock dust
Coco coir

Id like to add neem seed meal and another mineral, but am curious if I can get by with what I have. Suggestions on recipe/ratios?

If you keep neem from bas or kisorganics get the 50/50 neem karanja meal mix.
Gypsum, bentonite,rock phosphate, for mineral(plenty more just named a few common) you have. A worm bin correct? If so feed your worms your ammendments alfalfa, kelp, etc so when you top dress is all readily available as its been broken down already

 

[ShLUbY]

If you keep neem from bad or kisorga mics get the 50/50 neem karanja meal
Gypsum, bentonite,rock phosphate, for mineral(plenty more just named a few common) you have. A worm bin correct? If so feed your worms your ammendments alfalfa, kelp, etc so when you top dress is all readily available as its been broken down already

you ever use the bentonite? i have a lb bag, but don't know how to apply per cuft. i mean it's clay... 1 cup in 2 cubic ft of soil is <1%... i wouldn't think that would hurt right?

 

[anzohaze]

you ever use the bentonite? i have a lb bag, but don't know how to apply per cuft. i mean it's clay... 1 cup in 2 cubic ft of soil is <1%... i wouldn't think that would hurt right?

Honesty man use less you can always add more I always use light and add later for safety reasons as I over due every damn thing

 

[Kind Sir]

If you keep neem from bad or kisorga mics get the 50/50 neem karanja meal
Gypsum, bentonite,rock phosphate, for mineral(plenty more just named a few common) you have. A worm bin correct? If so feed your worms your ammendments alfalfa, kelp, etc so when you top dress is all readily available as its been broken down already

Yes I have a worm bin. How should I add the amendments? I used newspaper, leaves, cardboard and a little ocean forest. 1K worms in 27gal tote.

 

[anzohaze]

Yes I have a worm bin. How should I add the amendments? I used newspaper, leaves, cardboard and a little ocean forest. 1K worms in 27gal tote.

I feed them scraps. Let them dry (learned that the hard way ) and as with ammendments when I give th em scraps I dust the fruit with a lil kelp here add crab shell, bentonite there add a a lil dash of alfalfa etc I act like is a food I am cooking and just like Emeril live it and kick it up a notch lol I just go with it don't do much.minerals

 

[DonPetro]

Ive gotten a few recipes but left my notebook @ work.

I finally have most of my amendments, and wanted to start "cooking" it today. I have..

1 bag Roots Organic Original
1/2 bag Ocean Forest

Purple cow compost
EWC
Perlite (Miracl gro)*?
Sphagnum peat moss (Miracl gro)*?

Fish bone meal
Alfalfa meal
Kelp meal
Crab Shell Meal
Oyster shell flour
Peruvian seabird guano

Glacial rock dust
Coco coir

Id like to add neem seed meal and another mineral, but am curious if I can get by with what I have. Suggestions on recipe/ratios?

I would be careful with the MG perlite...check the bag. They even put chem nutes in that.

 

[GreenSanta]

Horsetail tea for powdery mildew. Also do u run ur exhaust fan 24/7? High relative humidity spikes at lights off would make it hard to get rid of it.

 

[GreenSanta]

With LEDs I use fresh air from inside the house so at light off I run a dehumidifier because I also exhaust in the house

 

[bizfactory]

you have. A worm bin correct? If so feed your worms your ammendments alfalfa, kelp, etc so when you top dress is all readily available as its been broken down already

Not directed at me but...I only have a normal compost bin, no worms. Would adding the kelp and alfalfa work well in that too? A friend and I were discussing that earlier this week.

 

[anzohaze]

Not directed at me but...I only have a normal compost bin, no worms. Would adding the kelp and alfalfa work well in that too? A friend and I were discussing that earlier this week.

A compost bin has microbes in such so adding kelp excetera would probably benefit

 

[Rrog]

Horsetail tea for powdery mildew. Also do u run ur exhaust fan 24/7? High relative humidity spikes at lights off would make it hard to get rid of it.

Silica in horsetail is one of the items that triggers immune response also

 

[ShLUbY]

Silica in horsetail is one of the items that triggers immune response also

i walked through so much horsetail today.... why didn't i grab any?

 

[littlejacob]

Bonjour
Do you have an organic recipe against spider...I think I have some but not a lot...and don't want to go chemicals!
Thanks
Have a great day ★

 

[GreenSanta]

i walked through so much horsetail today.... why didn't i grab any?

Reminds me I should use it as mulch in my pots... why didn't u grab any! Wiki it up its the only plants that reproduces via spores, it's one of the most ancient plant on earth.