Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

AllDayToker

AllDayToker

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Alright so I topped my 10g pots with 3 cups of this Jobes Proven Winners stuff I have used in the past. For flowering.





And then I also added 5 cups of ewc.

Then watered it all in with a 1 cup alfalfa meal/1 cup kelp meal tea that has been bubbling for 2 days in 4gallons of water.

Sound like I'm on the right track?
 
Beemo

Beemo

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AllDayToker said:
Alright so I topped my 10g pots with 3 cups of this Jobes Proven Winners stuff I have used in the past. For flowering.
And then I also added 5 cups of ewc.
Then watered it all in with a 1 cup alfalfa meal/1 cup kelp meal tea that has been bubbling for 2 days in 4gallons of water.
Sound like I'm on the right track?
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jobes good stuff... used it before...
but 3 cups is alot for 10g...
try 1 tbsp maybe 2 tbsp a week or until dissolved...

instead of alfalfa/kelp tea.. use compost/ewc tea... so it tells the roots to eat.
 
Rrog

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4ftRoots said:
I have noticed that aswell. You will never have too much nitrogen but just enough with clover. I used to run clover but changed to yarrow/chamomile because of mites. When I changed over to a new cover crop I definitely noticed the need to add more nitrogen to my soils. The clover is very beneficial. I want to experiment with adding a couple clover plants per pot but I love not dealing with mites hahaha.
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That's an interesting observation. So my supposition above wouldn't be accurate. The clover provided N in an already relatively high N environment. I thought the N had to be a lot lower to start kicking in

Not everyone has had the white mites with clover. I haven't. I wonder why this is. I haven't use predatory mites but do use crab, BTI and nematodes
 
DonBrennon

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DonBrennon said:
Me too, i think it looks pretty, but for my own circumstances, don't really feel it brings any benefit. Its a pain in the ass if you plant the wrong stuff too, constantly having to trim it down. A good quality organic mulch is probably more beneficial.
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Having said that, I do currently have living mulch/companion plants in my no tills and they're very pretty at the moment lol
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Marigolds, micro-clover and I think I may have added some dill or something when drunk, it's too young to identify as yet. Marigold are said to enhance the growth and flavour of various fruit, veg and herbs when used as a companion plant. I've never tried them before, but like I said, they look pretty lol.
 
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4ftRoots

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Rrog said:
That's an interesting observation. So my supposition above wouldn't be accurate. The clover provided N in an already relatively high N environment. I thought the N had to be a lot lower to start kicking in

Not everyone has had the white mites with clover. I haven't. I wonder why this is. I haven't use predatory mites but do use crab, BTI and nematodes
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I worded incorrectly. You are correct clover does not supply until needed. Only when needed and it gives nitrogen in the correct amounts somehow.

I've never figured it out. I must live in a bad area because I sometimes get mites in the dead of winter. I do have a dog but it never comes to the room with me. I have incredibly healthy plants in my opinion.
 
hyroot

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I live in the dry desert. I just had mites on an outdoor plant. Got rid of them. I don't have them indoor. I think genetics plays a role too. Some strains just deter them. It's their auto immune system or maybe it's the terps they put off. And kush like or sour terp smelling plants seem to keep them away. My basil outside never get a single bug. The main basil plant is 3 years old too.
 
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Rrog

Rrog

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hyroot said:
I live in the dry desert. I just had mites on an outdoor plant. Got rid of them. I don't have them indoor. I think genetics plays a role too. Some strains just deter them. It's their auto immune system or maybe it's the terps they put off. And kush like or sour terp smelling plants seem to keep them away. My basil outside never get a single bug. The main basil plant is 3 years old too.
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You're onto something...
 
Quintessence

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imo dont really need to crop cover unless your working with 10g or more....
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I'm using 7g smart pots. I did buy some Crimson Clover, Marigolds and some other micro greens a while back so I have the seeds. Forgive my ignorance but aren't flowing cover crops like crimson clover going to be bad to have in the tent during flower? I've seen threads with people planting Marigolds and other flowering plants into their pots and I'm curious how they avoid cross pollination.
 
DonBrennon

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Quintessence said:
I'm using 7g smart pots. I did buy some Crimson Clover, Marigolds and some other micro greens a while back so I have the seeds. Forgive my ignorance but aren't flowing cover crops like crimson clover going to be bad to have in the tent during flower? I've seen threads with people planting Marigolds and other flowering plants into their pots and I'm curious how they avoid cross pollination.
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I'm sorry for the bluntness here, but, it'd be like you cross pollinating a dog lol, different species
 
W

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Rrog said:
What's everyone's opinion of cover crop? I used to be more excited about it, personally
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Cover crops, for us, is a solution in search of a problem. They work great for tired, depleted, SOIL gardens of a certain size, but for a well amended container mix? They really serve no purpose other than a buzzword to toss out and extra work.

Think about it for a bit. How much N (for example), is clover going to provide, indoors, that a handful of neem or alfalfa, or VC wouldn't provide? If you have 5 acres of depleted soil, a cover crop makes perfect sense. But a indoor container?

There are other outdoor soil practices/techniques that are being downsized for indoor containers that just don't really make the transition all that well.

Wet
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I agree with much of that. I have been systematically examining each amendment and practice and distilling that down to things that work simply vs. things that are simply work. I've done plenty of clover, and have recommended it for years, but now if it's not a clear benefit, I'm abandoning.
 
DonBrennon

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st0wandgrow said:
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I thought that myself...............the plant tells roots to eat, it also dictates which microbes are dominant in your soil, constantly adding microbes will disturb this and the plant isn't getting what it actually want's. This may not be shown in yield, but the plants true genetic profile showing, more terpines, stronger, frostier bud............I'm caned and may well be babbling bullshit lol
 
DonBrennon

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I apologize if you've seen this already(I've been posting it everywhere)...........but, some people are impressed by my diy COB light, that was a lot of time on research and development, a lot of work and a LOT of money spent......................This, impressed me, massively more, lol, it was free and made within 1 hour, cos I already had timers and a little bit of superglue(a little bit of patience helps too, those gears are fiddly, if you've got big fat sausage fingers you've no chance).
I feel like a spammer I've posted that much about this, but those hydro companies are just ripping us all off, on everything, from nutes that are 98% inert substances(eg water), to electrical switching gear where the components cost pence, but the product cost £100's/$'s
Lets Redress the balance, when you start asking them about the products they supply they're clueless, their only interest is $$$$$
 
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