Replacement for Earth Worm Castings

RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Ok, so after you pay for all your expensive equipment, not counting the extra pumps, cleaning, pesticides, etc. You still have to buy nutes. I can use water only for the whole grow. So, tell me again how your hydro is cheaper? Eh... maybe I'll use a couple handfuls of kelp and alfalfa lol.

you have to buy amendments every grow as well, which are expensive. honestly I am done arguing with your hippy tree hugging ass, your ignorant and are extremely biased towards organic growing, like I said earlier to each their own. maybe something you should learn to accept instead of preaching your methods as if they were the one only and best way...

4 cu yards of soil that can be reused over and over for years. Or you can pay for GH nutes every feeding and dump a bunch of nasty chems on your plants and add to the destruction of mother nature. I haven't even gotten into the fact these chems are a big factor in the cancer and disease in this country. Here's another one for you; soon you will see studies showing that organics creates terpenes you will never get from hydro. Smell a hydro grown rose, and smell one grown organically in your back yard.

If you want to grow hydro, to each their own. But don't even start to tell me hydro is cheaper then organics. Not going to happen.

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ugg people who refuse to accept that they may not know it all make me tired.

st0wandgrow · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
ugg people who refuse to accept that they may not know it all make me tired.

It's not more expensive though. I just got done making 25 cf of soil. I will recycle this soil and it will last me *at least* the next 12 months. I spent $25 on 2 bales of peat. $30 on rice hulls. $60 on kelp meal, crab shell meal, alfalfa meal, etc. Rock dusts are sourced locally, and are free. My worm castings are free, so the compost teas I brew moving forward will cost zero. I have a bottle of pro-tekt that I've had for eons, but even if I have to replace it it's $15. The only expense I'll incur over the next 12 months will be a bottle or two of fish hydrolysate at $12.99 a pop.

So, for about $120 I'm good for the next year. $10 a month is what it's costing me. How much have you, or do you anticipate spending in the next 12 months? And you can't just shluff off the equipment that you had to buy (and possibly replace). That has to be factored in

Pattahabi · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
ugg people who refuse to accept that they may not know it all make me tired.

People who post opinions with no supporting information make me tired. I'll be the first to admit I don't know it all, but I am able to do basic math and the numbers don't lie. If you think hydro is cheaper then organics, think again. If you have some supporting information about that claim, post it up. I'm all about putting it on the table, lets see it.

Hydro is cheaper then organics... I'm waiting... :sleep:

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Wolf pack · Sep 25, 2014

What kind of hydro setup is what matters.
Dwc...jacks classic....that's it...works all the time..cheap,and jacks last a long time.

The start up for rols/Los is way more than that^^^^

Time cost money to.

RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
It's not more expensive though. I just got done making 25 cf of soil. I will recycle this soil and it will last me *at least* the next 12 months. I spent $25 on 2 bales of peat. $30 on rice hulls. $60 on kelp meal, crab shell meal, alfalfa meal, etc. Rock dusts are sourced locally, and are free. My worm castings are free, so the compost teas I brew moving forward will cost zero. I have a bottle of pro-tekt that I've had for eons, but even if I have to replace it it's $15. The only expense I'll incur over the next 12 months will be a bottle or two of fish hydrolysate at $12.99 a pop.

So, for about $120 I'm good for the next year. $10 a month is what it's costing me. How much have you, or do you anticipate spending in the next 12 months? And you can't just shluff off the equipment that you had to buy (and possibly replace). That has to be factored in

why not, my argument is that the overhead once setup running hydro is cheaper....FOR ME!!!!!!

I already have everything I should need to grow what I grow for the next 3-4 years.......SO TELL ME how organic would be cheaper FOR me...fuck

RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
I honestly wish I could afford to grow in soil still but it gets really expensive. after you dial in nutes and stuff for the hydro and get equip there literally is no overhead except new nutes when you run out.

Pattahabi said:
LmFao!!!! Wait... this is a joke right?

these are the 2 posts that started this debate....

tell me where I said that in general for every case and every grow that hydro is less expensive???

hyroot · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
why not, my argument is that the overhead once setup running hydro is cheaper....FOR ME!!!!!!

I already have everything I should need to grow what I grow for the next 3-4 years.......SO TELL ME how organic would be cheaper FOR me...fuck

I bought my amendments for $40 6 months ago. Mine are half gone. I grow in a 5 x 16. I've been using the same soil for 3 years now. Each batch when I re-amend, I use 1/3 less nutes than when I made the soil mix. No resi changes. Probably about 40 hours less work a week (time is money right) .

Your hydro kit will not last 4 years. pumps break after 3 or 4 months. ph meters don't last long either. sprayers have to be replaced every month. The kits always leak eventually. I did aero for 6 years before switching back to soil. Nutes for hydro cost over $200 a month...$55 a gallon for bloom, grow, kelp, pk, ph up down, etc.. Thats $275 in nutes right there. Thats more than I spend in a year on soil.

the whole thing of organics vs chems. When you buy fruits and veggies at the store. Do you prefer organic, gmo, or chemically grown? That says it all.

Wolf pack · Sep 25, 2014

When I ran dwc,I never did a Rez change,just top off with water...
Jacks last forever,and that was running a few buckets..

It's all on the grower,as to how much things cost.

Pattahabi · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
why not, my argument is that the overhead once setup running hydro is cheaper....FOR ME!!!!!!

I already have everything I should need to grow what I grow for the next 3-4 years.......SO TELL ME how organic would be cheaper FOR me...fuck

Why don't you post up what your hydro nutes for the next 3-4 years are? What exactly is that going to take you? Like how many gallons of ferts do you have?

Wolf pack said:
When I ran dwc,I never did a Rez change,just top off with water...
Jacks last forever,and that was running a few buckets..

It's all on the grower,as to how much things cost.

Post it up!!! Let's see a detail of everything you need for that grow! Equipment is absolutely included. This is a business plan, lets look at the bottom dollar!

After you finish with that, you're still going to have a sub par product to organics. Wanna argue with that, go to the grocery store, what do they promote as a better product, organic or non?

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RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

are you completely fucking numb or just refuse too see what I said...or just a troll?

I have nothing to prove to you....you obviously have something to prove to me...but guess what...I don't fucking give a rats ass and I sure as fuck am not going to sit here and comprise a business plan for an ignorant douche bag such as yourself..

enjoy your organics, im glad they work for you...hydro works for ME.....THATS WHAT I HAVE SAID FROM THE START....don't like it....I don't fking care.

hyroot · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
are you completely fucking numb or just refuse too see what I said...or just a troll?

I have nothing to prove to you....you obviously have something to prove to me...but guess what...I don't fucking give a rats ass and I sure as fuck am not going to sit here and comprise a business plan for an ignorant douche bag such as yourself..

enjoy your organics, im glad they work for you...hydro works for ME.....THATS WHAT I HAVE SAID FROM THE START....don't like it....I don't fking care.

when you come into an organic thread talking about hydro is cheaper. Technically thats trollish and trying to prove something. If you stuck to the topic of ewc and worm bins it wouldn't have spiraled into a debate.

st0wandgrow · Sep 25, 2014

hyroot said:
when you come into an organic thread talking about hydro is cheaper. Technically thats trollish and trying to prove something. If you stuck to the topic of ewc and worm bins it wouldn't have spiraled into a debate.

Exactly.

Pattahabi · Sep 25, 2014

hyroot said:
when you come into an organic thread talking about hydro is cheaper. Technically thats trollish and trying to prove something. If you stuck to the topic of ewc and worm bins it wouldn't have spiraled into a debate.

I couldn't have said it better.

Wolf pack · Sep 25, 2014

Pattahabi said:
Why don't you post up what your hydro nutes for the next 3-4 years are? What exactly is that going to take you? Like how many gallons of ferts do you have?

Post it up!!! Let's see a detail of everything you need for that grow! Equipment is absolutely included. This is a business plan, lets look at the bottom dollar!

After you finish with that, you're still going to have a sub par product to organics. Wanna argue with that, go to the grocery store, what do they promote as a better product, organic or non?

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Have no need to post it up......I have many of them on this board all ready...genuity.
It's a bucket,air stone,net pot lid...jacks classic...one of many grows.

Now I run LOS...and the start up cost is still more than that dwc setup.
I could care less to try a show you anything....

Its plain as day..organic is better if that is what the grower wants to think...I've had more than my share of nasty organic grown food,but this is about pot.

And I have done dwc with compost teas..very nice nugs,and yield.

RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

hyroot said:
when you come into an organic thread talking about hydro is cheaper. Technically thats trollish and trying to prove something. If you stuck to the topic of ewc and worm bins it wouldn't have spiraled into a debate.

Actually if you read through the thread I was discussing what the topic was and my hydro stuff just came up...I wasn't preaching to anyone or trying to sway any ones mind. Pattahabi is the one who started flaming me and being a complete cunt bag because said right now hydro is cheaper for ME. I was simply carrying on a normal conversation with someone about my bin and why I will be getting rid of it...

oh wait...another douche bag who doesn't know how to read or comprehend shit...what a surprise..

so again piss of cunts. try reading peoples posts and stop assuming shit after you read a couple of posts in the thread.

Pattahabi · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
Actually if you read through the thread I was discussing what the topic was and my hydro stuff just came up...I wasn't preaching to anyone or trying to sway any ones mind. Pattahabi is the one who started flaming me and being a complete cunt bag because said right now hydro is cheaper for ME. I was simply carrying on a normal conversation with someone about my bin and why I will be getting rid of it...

oh wait...another douche bag who doesn't know how to read or comprehend shit...what a surprise..

so again piss of cunts. try reading peoples posts and stop assuming shit after you read a couple of posts in the thread.

Lets see if you can read and comprehend this: your hydro is not cheaper then organics no matter how you slice it. You can call me all the names you want, it won't change the numbers.

Wolf pack said:
Have no need to post it up......I have many of them on this board all ready...genuity.
It's a bucket,air stone,net pot lid...jacks classic...one of many grows.

Now I run LOS...and the start up cost is still more than that dwc setup.
I could care less to try a show you anything....

Its plain as day..organic is better if that is what the grower wants to think...I've had more than my share of nasty organic grown food,but this is about pot.

And I have done dwc with compost teas..very nice nugs,and yield.

Same goes for you, call me all the names you want. You can have your salt chemmy grows, I could care less. You say that hydro is cheaper, I'm going to say post the numbers or gtfo. While you struggle to compete with cost I'm going to be chuckling about the quality difference.

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Wolf pack · Sep 25, 2014

Call you names?

Organic growing is easy,and fun....my whole garden is the organic type..all but one dwc right now.

You give organic growing a bad look,and I see why most shy away from this part of the boards..
Nothing is new in the world of organic growing,just the people that do it.

I said that one start up cost,was more than that one dwc setup

Pattahabi · Sep 25, 2014

Wolf pack said:
Call you names?

Organic growing is easy,and fun....my whole garden is the organic type..all but one dwc right now.

You give organic growing a bad look,and I see why most shy away from this part of the boards..
Nothing is new in the world of organic growing,just the people that do it.

I said that one start up cost,was more than that one dwc setup

I give organic gardening a bad look? Myself and others are gettting it done with organics while some whine and complain about why they can't do it, why it's so expensive, how it takes so much time. Then I read the laundry list of crap people recommend to put in the soil and all the misinformation out there (all in the name of making a buck) and I get irritated.

Organics is simple and cheap.
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hyroot · Sep 25, 2014

RetiredMatthebrute said:
Actually if you read through the thread I was discussing what the topic was and my hydro stuff just came up...I wasn't preaching to anyone or trying to sway any ones mind. Pattahabi is the one who started flaming me and being a complete cunt bag because said right now hydro is cheaper for ME. I was simply carrying on a normal conversation with someone about my bin and why I will be getting rid of it...

oh wait...another douche bag who doesn't know how to read or comprehend shit...what a surprise..

so again piss of cunts. try reading peoples posts and stop assuming shit after you read a couple of posts in the thread.

I've read this whole thread prior. Remember I posted about my leaves breaking down within 2 weeks. Oh wait another forgetful person.

Here are the first 3 posts in this thread about hydro before anyone asked any questions. All brought up by you. Pretty much a contradiction on your part.

No need to be a condescending dick!

RetiredMatthebrute said:
I honestly wish I could afford to grow in soil still but it gets really expensive. after you dial in nutes and stuff for the hydro and get equip there literally is no overhead except new nutes when you run out.

RetiredMatthebrute said:
I still have my bin but I grow in hydro mostly now so I don't use it. prob let them go in the spring into my veggie garden and set the bin aside for another time when I have more room.

RetiredMatthebrute said:
??? what overhead do you have with your hydro grow? I have water and nutes, water is free and have enough nutes to last 10 more grows or more...with the amount I grow I could make a bag of FFOF($20) mixed with a bag of pro mix($20) and amended with Epsoma garden($12) tone and EWC (free) last about 3 grows...plus I still have to have nutes....I dunno seems pretty simple to me. not really sure where you got confused but please enlighten me on how hydro is more expensive than soil im all ears.

RetiredMatthebrute · Sep 25, 2014

so sorry to offend you tree hugging hippie princess's

to the person I was originally talking to...sorry our convo got cut short because of these whack jobs.

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