Repotting Trauma?

az2000

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I've never seen what a plant looks like after a bad transplant. If you hadn't mentioned transplanting being a factor, I'd say it just needs N. All I see is N def. (Feed more.).
 

redlazer

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Hmm, interesting. I haven't fed them much recently after overfeeding them a bit when they were younger. I did feed them about a week ago.

It came on fast though. Pretty much overnight/2 days. But I repotted about four or five days ago.

Still N def?
 

mmjmon

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Hmm, interesting. I haven't fed them much recently after overfeeding them a bit when they were younger. I did feed them about a week ago.

It came on fast though. Pretty much overnight/2 days. But I repotted about four or five days ago.

Still N def?

Just my thoughts...

Don't go panicking yet. Plants will spend time enjoying the new space and soil before your (plants) long, but not too long, awaited growth spurt will take place.

Also, under the don't panic yet theme, heh heh... What soil did you repot in. Is it already full of nutes? If so, let the plant go and see how the NEW growth looks.

.......So, what soil did you use? and, Do you have a good sized pot for the size plant you're looking for?
 

_MrBelvedere_

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I used a mixture of old soil - I didn't disturb the root ball much - and either relatively regular potting soil (it wasn't the best, didn't drain great but they liked it if I was careful), or this stuff:

http://www.promixfindgrowtopia.com/product/detail/pro-mix-vegetables-herb

It contains:

  • Canadian sphagnum peat moss
  • Peat humus
  • Compost
  • Perlite
  • Gypsumr
  • Limestone
  • Organic fertilizer
  • MycoActive™ Organic Growth Enhancer (Mycorrhizae)
You did not add nearly enough perlite, they will be waterlogged easily and if you have issues they won't be resolved easily. I would remix soil so you have 50% perlite. Then fertilize as az2000 said. Good luck.
 

redlazer

Member
Ok. I don't have any perlite, so I used vermiculite at about a 50/50 ratio. It looks good - hopefully that will help.

I'll feed them during their next watering. Thanks guys :)
 

_MrBelvedere_

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Ok just make sure you do not create a brick of roots. When you water, the water should flow through the plant quickly so all inner roots have perfect aeration and fast drainage. With poor aera tion and slow drainage your roots will get waterlogged and then salts build up fast and it is nearly impossible to fix later. If your plants roots cannot get air you can drive bamboo stakes thru the rootball to create new air holes and this will improve the aeration of roots. Poke holes with stakes so the medium stays full of air and never brickbound. Good lick.
 

Will Ferrell

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50% perlite?! ive honestly never added perlite and have always done ok for the most part. Mostly use black gold, so i guess it has enough already mixed in. id like to start adding more though, or maybe instead add the clay pellets used in hydro.
 

az2000

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50% perlite?! ive honestly never added perlite and have always done ok for the most part. Mostly use black gold, so i guess it has enough already mixed in. id like to start adding more though, or maybe instead add the clay pellets used in hydro.
How often do you water (how fast does your soil dry)? Perlite was the least intuitive part of me learning to grow. I kept thinking "that's too much." All that white stuff didn't look natural. But, they like to dry fast, more frequent wet/dry cycles, feed cycles, etc. Maybe if I was feeding more organics a slower cycle might be better. But, I think perlite's the best.

If you're under a lot of radiant heat (like strong HPS), less perlite and more vermiculite might be better.
 

Will Ferrell

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ive got some veg plants in 3 gal pots i water about once a week, 1 gal light feed mix. That seems like too long i guess. Then i move them in 15 gal pots, give them 1 gallon of water a day,then eventually 2 gallons every 1-3 days, which seems to be doing ok. I guess i should add perlite to the 3 gal pots and keep the 15 gal the same.
thank you, this thread helped me :D
 

SnotNazi

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Awesome advice. My girls are feeling stressed and similar thing happened on my first grow. Water takes far to long to drain but my problem was more with the density. Either way this helped me out, thanks!
 

redlazer

Member
I tend to water my plants once every 3 days. I think my airflow is good - if the water doesn't drain through quickly, I'll manipulate the root ball by bending the pot walls to get some good cracks in there. Is that a bad idea?

Interesting that you guys don't like vermiculite but do like perlite - you guys are starting a lot of arguments between me and my botanist mother :p
 

_MrBelvedere_

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50% perlite?! ive honestly never added perlite and have always done ok for the most part. Mostly use black gold, so i guess it has enough already mixed in. id like to start adding more though, or maybe instead add the clay pellets used in hydro.
Yes it's true you don't have to add a lot of perlite. But Perlite is cheap insurance so when something happens (salt buildup, deficiencies, mold, etc) you can very quickly fix the problem. If there is poor drainage and poor aeration it takes longer to fix a problem. Excellent aeration and drainage are crucial to bulletproof grows and the most overlooked thing in growing well. Poor drainage is a welcome mat for buildup, mold, bugs, deficiencies, stem rot, root rot, slow growth, and countless other unhealthy things.

You can use any medium in the world, if you don't have good aeration and fast drainage then luck will have to be on your side.

If you have a brickball, crack it open and add perlite in the cracks. Drive stakes thru brickball and break it up gently while adding water. Repeat. Add perlite to the stake holes and cracks. Vermiculite can be added to perlite but 100% vermiculite will be too wet. Brickballs are often seen when using pure sawdust coir, pure potting soil, pure dirt, etc. If the medium has too many tiny particles it is likely to clump and brick at some point.

Growing in DWC, pure clay balls / net pots is not a good solution. Too much aeration / drainage is risky. Too much drainage/aeration is a welcome mat for quick plant death (because of lack of water)

You need to find a good healthy balance. Good luck
 
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