Research chemicals???

bongsmilie
Ive been reading alot on wikipedia,erowid, and googling about research chemicals such as phenezapam, Jwh-018(and other synthetic cannabanoids),
4-Fluoroamphetamine, and many other legal or uncontrolled substances that get you high.
I have 3 :?:s
1).Is it safe ingesting any of these in pure form?
2).Has anyone had any research chemical experiences?
3).Is it safe buying these drugs online?

Any answers would br greatly appreciated:mrgreen:
 

itcanhappen

New Member
bongsmilie
Ive been reading alot on wikipedia,erowid, and googling about research chemicals such as phenezapam, Jwh-018(and other synthetic cannabanoids),
4-Fluoroamphetamine, and many other legal or uncontrolled substances that get you high.
I have 3 :?:s
1).Is it safe ingesting any of these in pure form?
2).Has anyone had any research chemical experiences?
3).Is it safe buying these drugs online?

Any answers would br greatly appreciated:mrgreen:
to your first question, is anything really safe?
 

purplehazin

Well-Known Member
Im not trying to sound like a sarcastic asshole (maybe?) but all 3 of your questions can be answered if you just read some threads in this section.
 

Nullis

Moderator
No research chemical should be considered 'safe' to ingest or obtain. Most of these substances are extremely potent. Active doses are typically in the double digit milligrams, although some tend to require even more minuscule doses and the true dose-response curve for these chemicals is far from understood. Even if you happened to find a legitimate supplier with USP stock (pure), the stuff generally comes in crystalline form and all in a single little baggie. Maybe they'll sell in small quantities of 50 or 100 mg, or larger quantities of say 250 mg, or 500 to 1000 mg (1 gram). Titration of dosages is not something to take lightly. It is impossible to 'eye-ball' dosages in milligrams, doesn't matter if you're going for 10 mg or 25 mg; you would absolutely need a very sensitive and expensive type of scale. The alternative is to liquid measure, dissolving a known quantity of material into a precise amount of solvent (typically water) so that 1 ml of liquid = 1 mg or however it works out most efficiently. In order to not fuck that up majorly you would have to be absolutely positive what the weight of the material you purchased is. Just because the little baggie is labeled 100 mg doesn't mean it actually is, and in the case of extremely potent chemicals with effects that cannot be anticipated you really don't want to fuck up.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Titration of dosages is not something to take lightly. It is impossible to 'eye-ball' dosages in milligrams, doesn't matter if you're going for 10 mg or 25 mg; you would absolutely need a very sensitive and expensive type of scale. The alternative is to liquid measure, dissolving a known quantity of material into a precise amount of solvent (typically water) so that 1 ml of liquid = 1 mg or however it works out most efficiently.
Although I do not condone "eye-balling", it is possible to eye-ball milligram dosages with a trained eye. I recommend using an accurate, ± 1 milligram scale (e.g. American Weigh Gemini-20). With a substance like Phenazepam, liquid titration can be extremely difficult; I have found that Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK) works very well for dissolving Phenazepam if a little heat and agitation are provided. I find that titration is the only way to go with Phenazepam, as it is active under 500µg, measuring out 500µg - 1000µg (one-milligram) on even a top-end consumer scale would be somewhat difficult.

Here is what I recommend when laying Phenazepam:

1mL (100µL increments) Oral Syringe
Medium (Blotter Paper, Sour Patch Kids, etc.)
*40mg Phenazepam
*2mL MEK

*20 of Your Preferred Medium

Step-by-Step:

1) Measure 2mL MEK
2) Measure 40mg (±1mg) Phenazepam
3) Add 2mL MEK to Container (preferably lab glass)
4) Add 40mg Phenazepam. If it Does Not Dissolve Immediately, Do Not Worry.
5) At This Step I Dipped the Container Into a Hot Bath to Allow the MEK to Heat Up and Dissolve the Phenazepam. With Minimal Agitation, the Phenazepam Went Into Solution.
6) Measure 100µL and Drop Onto Medium Using the 1mL Oral Syringe.

Each hit will be 2mg Phenazepam.

* This is the ratio I used:

20mg Phenazepam: 1mL Solvent: 10 Medium(s)


bongsmilie
Ive been reading alot on wikipedia,erowid, and googling about research chemicals such as phenezapam, Jwh-018(and other synthetic cannabanoids),
4-Fluoroamphetamine, and many other legal or uncontrolled substances that get you high.
I have 3 :?:s

2).Has anyone had any research chemical experiences?
3).Is it safe buying these drugs online?

Any answers would br greatly appreciated:mrgreen:

1).Is it safe ingesting any of these in pure form?

If you have researched the substance and are familiar with the dosage, drug-interactions, side-effects, duration, etc., possess the proper equipment, for example, a thousandth of a gram ± one-milligram scale, and use the substance in a safe set, setting, and dosage, then yes, the substance, assuming it is of high purity, could be safe to ingest.
 

mtnhrdwr

Member
Hey bro, I have rc's but for different uses in bodybuilding, such as clen for fat loss. Need to have a legit company to get this from.
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
Hey bro, I have rc's but for different uses in bodybuilding, such as clen for fat loss. Need to have a legit company to get this from.
Totally irrelevant to not only this thread, but also to this sub-forum. PM me if you would like to talk about that category of research chemicals.
 

codemiister

Active Member
research chems are the unknown and unlike LSD you cna od from them and no know one will know what long term effect they have on your brain. the only research chem i am even down for is DMT and some people will argue that it isnt a research chem but i would say otherwise. yes it is sketch to buy chems online there has be atleast one death due to mislabel of a drug that came from online supplier
 

shepj

Oracle of Hallucinogens
research chems are the unknown and unlike LSD you cna od from
LSD-25 has a LD50 of 12,000µg, meaning you can OD from it.

the only research chem i am even down for is DMT and some people will argue that it isnt a research chem but i would say otherwise.
DMT is made in the body; please explain how it is a research chemical. That is like saying that Morphine is a research chemical.
 

codemiister

Active Member
DMT is made in the body; please explain how it is a research chemical. That is like saying that Morphine is a research chemical.[/QUOTE]

no one has ever overdosed off LSD. shit hunter s Thompson ingested what a gram of pure lsd crystal or someshit?

it is a drug that is extracted from a plant yes and could possibly come from us (ive read the spirit mollecule). thats why its in the air if its a research chem or not, but the truth is that a drug that powerfull must have an effect on your brain and it is unknown what effect that it will have long term or short term on teh brain, therfore id say its a research chem to some extent. we know the effects of morphine on the brain and body and its not a hallucinogen so kinda hard to compare.

erowid used to say it was. i just checked and it says it isnt.
 

weasels911

Well-Known Member
I would not consider dmt as a research chemical... It has been around for thousands of years of known human use. Simply extracted, it is just as natural of a substance as thc or morphine. Analogs of dmt like 4-aco-dmt or 5-meo-dmt which are synthesized in a lab can be considered research chemicals. Synthesized chemicals like LSD and MDMA would be considered RC's if they weren't scheduled and labeled as designer drugs instead.

And yes too much of any substance can lead to death, LSD or water...
 

codemiister

Active Member
lsd and mdma were research chems when they came out... but we know alot about both of them now and can be scheduled. people have only been smoking extracted dmt for less than 100 years. the solvents we use to exstract and what not mades it "un natural" imo. long term and short term effects of smoking dmt are still unknown.

dont get me wrong i love dmt ive done extractions plenty of times, but it is still unknown
 

themoose

Well-Known Member
"RESEARCH" CHEMICALS = Not typically "safe"

do it-maybe
get high-debatable
worth it-HIGHLY debatable
 

Swag

Well-Known Member
"RESEARCH" CHEMICALS = Not typically "safe"

do it-maybe
get high-debatable
worth it-HIGHLY debatable
Every drug was a "research chemical" at one point, if everyone used your thought of stay in the small relatively safe box. We'd still be using leeches to cure people of diseases and burning witches...
 

Swag

Well-Known Member
lsd and mdma were research chems when they came out... but we know alot about both of them now and can be scheduled. people have only been smoking extracted dmt for less than 100 years. the solvents we use to exstract and what not mades it "un natural" imo. long term and short term effects of smoking dmt are still unknown.

dont get me wrong i love dmt ive done extractions plenty of times, but it is still unknown
1. DMT is a derivative of tryptamine formed by substituting methyl groups for the two hydrogen atoms attached to the non-aromatic nitrogen atom in the tryptamine molecule.

2. alkaloid = natural bases containing nitrogen found in plants

3. DMT is active orally without acid/base extractions with the help of an MAOI which is all ayahuasca tea is. A DMT containing plant brewed together with another plant that is an MAOI. This DMT has been used by people for a good few hundred years. Along with magic mushrooms which the psychoactive ingredient includes DMT in them Psilocybine = 4-PO-DMT

4. first rule of fight club, don't talk about fight club....
 

themoose

Well-Known Member
Every drug was a "research chemical" at one point, if everyone used your thought of stay in the small relatively safe box. We'd still be using leeches to cure people of diseases and burning witches...

Comment is for the person asking it in particular, if you have to ask and online forum...just don't do it. Def not the way I feel in general, see where you're comin' from.

thought i'd clear that up
 

Swag

Well-Known Member
Comment is for the person asking it in particular, if you have to ask and online forum...just don't do it. Def not the way I feel in general, see where you're comin' from.

thought i'd clear that up
Yes I understand where your coming from man but just to say pretty much not to do it, is kind of depriving a person of a great possibly / probably limited time experience. Though your right most people do not know if research chemicals are completely harmless. But most of the 2c-X groups and other tryptamine groups have been tested by Sasha Shulgin the original creator of most of the psychedelic research chemicals on the market today. An so far do not appear to have many physical or psychological adverse reaction when used in moderation and moderate doses. Or any real info leading towards them being dangerously harmful.
 
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