Ripples - but not like good vibes

Hi!

I've been reading at this forum for a while now... not being able to see photos without a signup got me in...

So, that being said, I've looked at some of the photos here and still feel the need to post a new thread. Please move this if it is necessary.

Here are some specs.

400w MH 18/6

72 degrees (ish)

1 plant, 14 inches from the light

3 clones survived my first attempt...so far

She's a month and a half old

She started to produce pistils at node 7 without 12/12

She's 11 nodes tall - about a foot - but not staggering her stems yet

Her stalk is about 3/4 of an inch thick (no fan)

Maaaajor foliage

Micro / Grow / Bloom once per week - dosed as per directions

Water - as needed (room temp from a brita container)

I do not have what is needed to do a ph test (keto sticks maybe?)

Some leaf tips feel 'wet' and are rippling while the rest of the plant feels fine...photos attached

What I'd like to do is have 3 healthy plants at proper increments of growth.

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Now, time to post some 'inspired' art!

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looks like a little over watering to me and pic #3 and pic# 5 look like they are under fed or maybe a nute lock out due to improper ph. suggestion!!!!! get a ph tester and ppm tester then you can know what you are dealing with in those two catigories that will make it easier to narrow down any problems.

Hi Queenster, thanks for your reply!

I guess it's time to get some testers... I suppose I didn't think I'd get to this point... I water the plant maybe 2 times per week, and little amounts of water... I'm apprehensive to load it up because I've seen the sogged look and it's not good.

By the way, your 7 heads are amazing (avatar picture)

I've grown a couple before but under fluorescents and not MH - this light is intense!


best,
ee

Do not just give them a sip of water when it is time to water. Give it a good watering to allow all the soil to get moist. Also the run off will help to flush out the used up salts and such. If you have good drainage, as your water and it drains out the bottom, it sucks in fresh air.
To me they look like your PH is out of wack, and your temps are high or your Humidity is really low. You probably have the light to close or not enough air flow.

Yer me too, those ripples or cupping in the lower fan leaves spell heat problems for me. You said your temps were ok but thats just what i see. Peace

Hey ldb and kingrow1, I appreciate the feedback. You both are leaning toward heat and ph so I'll add a fan... I know, I know... NO FAN??

Truthfully, I'll study more about ph before making any major changes. I did add some epsom today so we'll see how that goes.

I didn't think this thing would grow like this, especially after my first two attempts with tubes! What a difference. $30 for a used warehouse light... good investment through a journeyman electrician friend of mine...

I'll keep this thread updated and show how the suggestions I received changed things. Otherwise this is pointless.


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Keep us posted then, we all like updated pics too. Peace

Hi Kingrow & all, things are looking up! I transplanted and now the growth looks healthy. It grew so fast that it looked more like a ball of roots and a little soil, as opposed to the other way around. Oh, and today, after having done away with 1 of my 3 clones, some roots appeared from one. First ever!

Here's a couple of images... a touch of burn at the tips but I'm sure that was heat related. Healthy looking to me! Big difference from the bottom fan leaves, which were the ones I posted about in the first place. These were taken at night so they look 'sleepy', I actually like how they do that when the lights go out. Just says 'relax' to me...

I think thats a big improvement. Transplant and hopefully a fan seemed to have done the trick. Still some work to be done and dont like the looks of that droopy plant in lights out but hell you done well to get to this stage.

I use to clone and was getting pretty good at it but one thing i found and others seemed to find is that they get better results without a humidity dome, obviously some swear by those humidity domes but you might try a clone without it to see if thats better for you. Just a thought but an easy thing to try. Peace

Kingrow1 said:

I think thats a big improvement. Transplant and hopefully a fan seemed to have done the trick. Still some work to be done and dont like the looks of that droopy plant in lights out but hell you done well to get to this stage.

I use to clone and was getting pretty good at it but one thing i found and others seemed to find is that they get better results without a humidity dome, obviously some swear by those humidity domes but you might try a clone without it to see if thats better for you. Just a thought but an easy thing to try. Peace

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Hey man, thanks. You know, it's funny you say that about the dome. I ended up taking it off and dropping the clones into a tote - big difference! I'm still misting them, should I be concerned about watering at this point?

Pretreating your soil with dolomite lime is WAY cheaper than getting a pH pen. I NEVER pH my nutes/water for soil and its all green leaves and rock and roll over here.

Most people WAY overstate pH issues in soil.

Harrekin said:

Pretreating your soil with dolomite lime is WAY cheaper than getting a pH pen. I NEVER pH my nutes/water for soil and its all green leaves and rock and roll over here.

Most people WAY overstate pH issues in soil.

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Totally, my pH pen just collects dust now. Peace

Not all Soil has the same base PH. So just because you just add Dolimite and walla it is all good. Does not mean that someone on the other side of the country would do as well with just dolimite. A matter of fact it could just screw the hell out of their plants. Even bagged soil of the same brand can have a large difference in PH values if from a different area or a different batch. Where I live, I can just add my Cyco brand nutrients to my water and it comes out to a perfect 5.7-5.9 PH everytime. But someone from, lets say Nevada would never get that to happen. He would probably have to add a good bit of PH UP. Just food for thought.

Harrekin said:

Pretreating your soil with dolomite lime is WAY cheaper than getting a pH pen. I NEVER pH my nutes/water for soil and its all green leaves and rock and roll over here.

Most people WAY overstate pH issues in soil.

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...I read that you can make them from acid-free art paper. I lost the link, but want to look for it again. It was really simple. Going to look into dolomite also, thanks for the post.

Lord Dangly Bits said:

Not all Soil has the same base PH. So just because you just add Dolimite and walla it is all good. Does not mean that someone on the other side of the country would do as well with just dolimite. A matter of fact it could just screw the hell out of their plants. Even bagged soil of the same brand can have a large difference in PH values if from a different area or a different batch. Where I live, I can just add my Cyco brand nutrients to my water and it comes out to a perfect 5.7-5.9 PH everytime. But someone from, lets say Nevada would never get that to happen. He would probably have to add a good bit of PH UP. Just food for thought.

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...I think since I haven't done this before I'll read up, I like it also when there are posts that ultimately say to be cautious. Thanks for that.

I just took another picture today, this time with lights on. I thought I'd add that here instead of making another post.

Lord Dangly Bits said:

Not all Soil has the same base PH. So just because you just add Dolimite and walla it is all good. Does not mean that someone on the other side of the country would do as well with just dolimite. A matter of fact it could just screw the hell out of their plants. Even bagged soil of the same brand can have a large difference in PH values if from a different area or a different batch.

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Very true. I can only offer my observations of British soil pH as cannot source American soil but overhere most soil is between 6.3 to 6.7 as per standard soil mixes. I have futher tested runoff from a lot of these fresh soils and find them to be nearer 6.3 to 6.4 (reasonably accurate).

Now this generally is ok for most of the grow but quite easy to pick up pH problems near the end of say six weeks in flower or six weeks from repotting into fresh soil. This tells me that simply adding 1 teaspoon per litre of soil or 1 tablespoon per gallon of soil, which is generally the recomended amount on average, would be the right amount or more to keep my pH nearer neutral and between 6.3 to 6.7 for the whole flowering period.

Where I live, I can just add my Cyco brand nutrients to my water and it comes out to a perfect 5.7-5.9 PH everytime. But someone from, lets say Nevada would never get that to happen. He would probably have to add a good bit of PH UP. Just food for thought.

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I have come to the conclusion that lime in the soil dose pretty much the same job as pH up so when adding nutes in soil i see very little need to pH my water and ferts and simply rely on the lime. Coco is different to soil in some of these respects but my tap water is above pH8 most days and consider this to actuallyy be good for my slightly acidic soil as any alkaline ions in the water will accumulate in the soil and provide futher help to the lime in neutralising acidic ions or mainly the culprits behind pH problems.

Lord Dangly Bits said:

Do not just give them a sip of water when it is time to water. Give it a good watering to allow all the soil to get moist. Also the run off will help to flush out the used up salts and such. If you have good drainage, as your water and it drains out the bottom, it sucks in fresh air.
To me they look like your PH is out of wack, and your temps are high or your Humidity is really low. You probably have the light to close or not enough air flow.

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This really sums up your problem for me as well and dose seem to be the problem. As a rule i always aim to get one third runoff from whatever i add to my soil be it ferts or water. This futher seems to promote keeping the soil clean and free from salts plus i never really have to flush if i never over fertilize due to good runoff. Change the way you water too and give a good watering then allow soil to dry substantially before watering again. Peace