RIU, You chose it, I'm growing it. Fucking Incredible!

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smokingrubber said:
Anything you get at WalMart can be easily returned in a few weeks when the crop is finished ;)
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Ahh that's shady. I know Wal-Mart's a huge company and it'll be absorbed, but when I enter an agreement with someone (even if that someone is a large corporation and the agreement is the simple purchase of a product) I go in with upfront intentions and stand by my agreement. If the product peforms as promised I'm obliged to keep it. It's speaks to a persons character and your character is the only thing no one can take from you or FORCE you to change. Never compromise, no matter the rationalization.
 
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laserbrn said:
Ahh that's shady. I know Wal-Mart's a huge company and it'll be absorbed, but when I enter an agreement with someone (even if that someone is a large corporation and the agreement is the simple purchase of a product) I go in with upfront intentions and stand by my agreement. If the product peforms as promised I'm obliged to keep it. It's speaks to a persons character and your character is the only thing no one can take from you or FORCE you to change. Never compromise, no matter the rationalization.
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I agree with all that . . . except it's WALMART! LOL
 
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Alright, it's been a week since I posted pictures. Man, I just looked back at those last pictures from a week ago and these plants are having a rough start to their life a bit here. That tap water really jacked with them, I forgot how bad they looked.

Anyway, they seem to be improving slightly. I didn't start adding nutrients until yesterday so they are a little deficient. I did this because I started those other sprouts a week behind, so I knew ahead of time that the older ones would suffer a little, but I hoped not much. I didn't add CalMag to help with the lockout from the tap water, I just figured it best to get them back on track. I added plain RO water and now they are up to ~150ppm of Sensi Grow A&B. I bumped them up 50ppm per day over the past 3 days. I will probably go ahead and actually flush this reservoir this weekend and refill with 200ppm & Hyrgrozyme.

Please let me know if you think there's something else I can try. They just don't seem very happy and I can't figure out what the deal is with them. I know they looked uglier last week so this week is an improvement, but they still seem to have a bit of that "I need MG" look to them. I just hate to add it when I know the problem wasn't really a lack of MG.

I checked the calibration on my ph meter to make sure it wasn't way outta whack and it was spot on. So my reservoir has been stable at 6.2 and it's spot on so everything should be going smoothly at this point.
 

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you started a week or so after me and id say our plants are about the same size ....
maybe mine are a bit bigger... cause they were germinated on the 5th .....
So id say your off to a good start..... this is F ingh incredible.... love the thread name.....
 
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laserbrn said:
Alright, it's been a week since I posted pictures. Man, I just looked back at those last pictures from a week ago and these plants are having a rough start to their life a bit here. That tap water really jacked with them, I forgot how bad they looked.

Anyway, they seem to be improving slightly. I didn't start adding nutrients until yesterday so they are a little deficient. I did this because I started those other sprouts a week behind, so I knew ahead of time that the older ones would suffer a little, but I hoped not much. I didn't add CalMag to help with the lockout from the tap water, I just figured it best to get them back on track. I added plain RO water and now they are up to ~150ppm of Sensi Grow A&B. I bumped them up 50ppm per day over the past 3 days. I will probably go ahead and actually flush this reservoir this weekend and refill with 200ppm & Hyrgrozyme.

Please let me know if you think there's something else I can try. They just don't seem very happy and I can't figure out what the deal is with them. I know they looked uglier last week so this week is an improvement, but they still seem to have a bit of that "I need MG" look to them. I just hate to add it when I know the problem wasn't really a lack of MG.

I checked the calibration on my ph meter to make sure it wasn't way outta whack and it was spot on. So my reservoir has been stable at 6.2 and it's spot on so everything should be going smoothly at this point.
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If I were looking for things to try, I'd lower the pH to about 5.8 - I know as soon as I hit six or start creeping slightly over is when problems start (for me, anyways). I keep my veg pH at 5.8 and my flower at 5.6, and the nute issues have all but disappeared (that, and making sure to calibrate my meter every two weeks).

If you're sure they're getting the proper nutes, then just try bumping the points down a notch or two.

In all honesty, though, they'll be fine regardless.
 
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Bob Smith said:
If I were looking for things to try, I'd lower the pH to about 5.8 - I know as soon as I hit six or start creeping slightly over is when problems start (for me, anyways). I keep my veg pH at 5.8 and my flower at 5.6, and the nute issues have all but disappeared (that, and making sure to calibrate my meter every two weeks).

If you're sure they're getting the proper nutes, then just try bumping the points down a notch or two.

In all honesty, though, they'll be fine regardless.
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Yeah, I don't see them suffering to hard at this point. I do usually keep my ph lower, I was trying to keep it a little higher to minimize the amount of ph down going into the reservoir when I was using the tap water. Tap water is buffered so we that trying to keep it at 5.5 it'll just constantly rise and you'll constantly add ph down and I mean pouring it, not using drops like usual. Now that I'm back to using RO I'll kick it down to 5.5 like I usually have it before their feeding tonight.
 
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323cheezy said:
you started a week or so after me and id say our plants are about the same size ....
maybe mine are a bit bigger... cause they were germinated on the 5th .....
So id say your off to a good start..... this is F ingh incredible.... love the thread name.....
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Well my friend, from my past experience with seeds we're about to be in for a lot more explosive growth over the next 30 days than the last. Once these roots get firmly established I fully expect to start seeing about 1" of growth per day. I'm planning on growing some big ass pretty buds out of this FI so I'm going to let them veg pretty large before going into flower.
 
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laserbrn said:
Yeah, I don't see them suffering to hard at this point. I do usually keep my ph lower, I was trying to keep it a little higher to minimize the amount of ph down going into the reservoir when I was using the tap water. Tap water is buffered so we that trying to keep it at 5.5 it'll just constantly rise and you'll constantly add ph down and I mean pouring it, not using drops like usual. Now that I'm back to using RO I'll kick it down to 5.5 like I usually have it before their feeding tonight.
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Lol, been there, done that with the tap water.

Was going through a bottle of pH down every two weeks before I got my R/O filter.

R/O is much more stable, and the nutes I use have pretty good pH buffering as well (GH FloraNova).
 
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laserbrn said:
Well my friend, from my past experience with seeds we're about to be in for a lot more explosive growth over the next 30 days than the last. Once these roots get firmly established I fully expect to start seeing about 1" of growth per day. I'm planning on growing some big ass pretty buds out of this FI so I'm going to let them veg pretty large before going into flower.
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very true my friend....
the first 3 weeks always suck....
after i putt mine in bigger pots......(25th day).... they just started exploding ......
theyre really goin now.....
im also using t5's now.... thinking theyre outgrowin that want to change too my 400 soon and even bigger pots...
i think u could transplant now .... just my opinion....
 
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323cheezy said:
very true my friend....
the first 3 weeks always suck....
after i putt mine in bigger pots......(25th day).... they just started exploding ......
theyre really goin now.....
im also using t5's now.... thinking theyre outgrowin that want to change too my 400 soon and even bigger pots...
i think u could transplant now .... just my opinion....
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I thought about putting them under a 400w, but my T5's seem to stomp the 400w's. I actually need a little more heat though so the MH might be making a return debut.

I don't transplant these until they go into flower. Hell I've even done complete batches in 4x4 rockwool cubes all the way through flower. They can hold a helluva lot of roots. I may put them into pots soon, but I have a lot of hydroton to clean first. Hell I have about 200l of hydroton to clean or discard. How the hell do I throw this shit out? It's freakn' heavy.
 
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couchlock907 said:
kind is hella cool you can call them too got couchlock from them fire!
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I decided to transplant to the pots filled with hydroton. Much easier than a tray full of hydroton so I hope it works out as well. I might need to go get something to top feed the water because if the reservoir I have runs low it will have trouble feeding the plants. I can tell that this part of it is going to be a challenge and getting it figure out will be interesting. The rockwool cubes reach pretty low into the pots so they should gather up moisture, but it's like right there at the water line so we'll see how it works out.

It's only been one day and the plants are already looking better. So day by day they should all fall back in line and we should be underway. The introduction of nutes seems to be very welcome by the older ones and I can see a VERY slight burn on the younger ones, but they are going to have to take it on the chin and keep up.
 

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laserbrn said:
I decided to transplant to the pots filled with hydroton. Much easier than a tray full of hydroton so I hope it works out as well. I might need to go get something to top feed the water because if the reservoir I have runs low it will have trouble feeding the plants. I can tell that this part of it is going to be a challenge and getting it figure out will be interesting. The rockwool cubes reach pretty low into the pots so they should gather up moisture, but it's like right there at the water line so we'll see how it works out.

It's only been one day and the plants are already looking better. So day by day they should all fall back in line and we should be underway. The introduction of nutes seems to be very welcome by the older ones and I can see a VERY slight burn on the younger ones, but they are going to have to take it on the chin and keep up.
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Couple things:

1) never understood the tray full of hydroton - individual pots (IMHO) always work way, way better - I like to be able to move my plants when needed

2) those plants are small enough where the amount they drink from the reservoir will be negligible, so the water level shouldn't decrease too much

3) As long as the roots are within 1/2" of the flood line, you'll be fine - when the water recedes, the steam of the water "evaporating" off of the hydroton will allow (and force) the roots to grow down into it

4) I also had to top feed for couple of days, not a big deal
 
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On my "other" grow, I used 3 small tubs (4 plants ea) and filled them one at a time. That allowed me to keep the res managable (27 gal) and still flood a large and deep area. Just throwin that out there cuz it's hard to have a large res under a wide area when tents are concerned.
 
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smokingrubber said:
On my "other" grow, I used 3 small tubs (4 plants ea) and filled them one at a time. That allowed me to keep the res managable (27 gal) and still flood a large and deep area. Just throwin that out there cuz it's hard to have a large res under a wide area when tents are concerned.
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Not a bad idea, but things seem to be working okay now. I lowered the flood level a little bit and now this reservoir should be just fine. The plants seem to be really veggin' now and are taking off. They look healthy and happy and the growth is starting to get alot more vigorous.
 
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speedyseedz said:
The thing I always hated most about hydroton, was that it just got everywhere, even a year after I had stopped using it, I was still picking them out of crevices.
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Haha, no shit. I've always used it but with all the cleaning and all of the shit I have hydroton everywhere. I don't mind it in this setup, but the tray full of hydroton is a real bitch. It pinches your fingers when you try to pick it up, it leaves dust everywhere and is overall just a real pain in the ass. But I love the additional rootspace it provides and I've got my system down pretty well now so it's not SUCH a pain in the ass.
 
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