Ron Paul Has A Legit Shot.

Carne Seca said:

Yeah, we went over that ad nauseum. Try the search feature and you'll get your answer.

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This is what an Obama state looks like !




















Fast and Furious VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Canna Sylvan said:

Obama by his inaction is pro: torture including water boarding

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Well seeing as how you're a crazy person I deeply regret skimming over your post at all and responding to it even more, but I just had to point out that this simply isn't true. If you have any evidence, lets see it but Obama has announced publicly that the US will not waterboard while he is president.

Carne Seca said:

O'Bama signed the Patriot Act? Really?

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Yes, Obama signed the continuation of the patriot act, making it law. He could and should have chosen not to, but he has been corrupted by power and signed it. It probably would not be law right now if Obama didn't sign it. I don't think congress had the votes to over ride.

Canna Sylvan said:

Obamites are hilarious. Bush's Patriot Act no longer exists. We now gave the Obama Patriot Act he signed. My theory is Obama is so stupid

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He's not stupid by any standard. He's clearly and obviously highly intelligent. But it does appear he's let power corrupt him.

Carne Seca said:

The one where Bush and his regime created the Patriot Act. The one you're trying to put all the blame on O'Bama's shoulders.

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A very fair thing to do IMO. Obama signed the bill to extend it into law therefor he is responsible for it currently. It is now his policy.

I'm not one who blames Obama for everything Bush did, but it is his signature on the law, so he is the one who is responsible for it. If he vetoed it and congress over rid it, then it would not be his fault, but that isn't what happened. A president is ultimately responsible for every bill he signs into law.

olylifter420 said:

what about the new NDAA that he said he was going to veto, but now signed it?

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Borderline subversion of democracy right there. Congress and Obama should all be thrown in jail for that. Hopefully the supreme court over turns it.

Parker said:

No you're lying here. His support is getting stronger and no one has ever come forward and said "I've heard him use that language". EVER.

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I understand that you think Ron Paul's words are worth more than any other evidence out there and I'll never convince you otherwise. So at this time I'm making the choice to no longer continue to have this absurd conversation with you. If you want to act like a cult member that is your choice. GL with that.

Dan Kone said:

Well seeing as how you're a crazy person I deeply regret skimming over your post at all and responding to it even more, but I just had to point out that this simply isn't true. If you have any evidence, lets see it but Obama has announced publicly that the US will not waterboard while he is president.

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You're right, and the one thing I respect about Obama is he kept his promise to close that filthy place called Guantanamo Bay. Obama despises torture so much, he personally pushed the button during its demolition ceremony. I concede, I have no proof and I'm just a crazy hateful person. Afterall, I never won a peace prize.

Dan Kone said:

Well seeing as how you're a crazy person I deeply regret skimming over your post at all and responding to it even more, but I just had to point out that this simply isn't true. If you have any evidence, lets see it but Obama has announced publicly that the US will not waterboard while he is president.

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Oh he did? Like OMG'd How nice Of him??!?!? LIKE TOTALYL!?!?! HES A GUD GUY!


When he prosecutes donald rumsfield....when he does anything in regard to this aside from some comments..is the day pigs fly!


best image right here for anyone supporting obama on here especially you growers, take a long hard look:

Deprave,

Yep, looks like Eric Holder got into Obama's blow stash too.

deprave said:

Oh he did? Like OMG'd How nice Of him??!?!? LIKE TOTALYL!?!?! HES A GUD GUY!

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Do you guys have any evidence that Obama is waterboarding people or have you all just taken to making shit up as usual?

Dan Kone said:

Do you guys have any evidence that Obama is waterboarding people or have you all just taken to making shit up as usual?

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Don't know, never looked for any, its really kind of laughable that you think that the federal government isn't torturing people and that you need 'evidence'...seems pretty naive to think otherwise don't you think? There was plenty of evidence dony rumsfield did...there is plenty of evidence of governments toturing people, I don't know google it and let me know what you find....

Dan Kone said:

Do you guys have any evidence that Obama is waterboarding people or have you all just taken to making shit up as usual?

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Obama is way better at making shit up than I am. If I even had a fraction of his skills, I'd no longer have to fear ever being in the dog house with the wife. Obama could make so much more money teaching men how to be the man of the house.

deprave said:

Don't know, never looked for any, its really kind of laughable that you think that the federal government isn't torturing people and that you need 'evidence'...seems pretty naive..There was plenty of evidence dony rumsfield did...there is plenty of evidence of governments toturing people, I don't know google it and let me know what you find....

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Yeah. Sorry I forgot my tinfoil hat. I lost it when I was escaping from the secret fema reeducation camp.

Dan Kone said:

Yeah. Sorry I forgot my tinfoil hat. I lost it when I was escaping from the secret fema reeducation camp.

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Do tin foil hats shield you from ignorance or something? I don't get it...This doesn't have anything to do with fema concentration camps, it has to do with not being so naive to think governments are your friend and have your best interest in mind. Mankind has been aware of this since before Rome.

There is evidence against Rummy and Patrayas who are both obamas buddies apparently because he hasn't changed a thing or done anything, I know that much.

Quick Run Down of torture surrounding Obama and Bush Administration:
[video=youtube;zzcZFwAAz9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzcZFwAAz9E[/video]

[video=youtube;nR1yKVK5QRE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR1yKVK5QRE[/video]

Parker said:

What evidence?


No you're lying here. His support is getting stronger and no one has ever come forward and said "I've heard him use that language". EVER.


agreed don't decide until you've looked at all the evidence. Your evidence is "someone said"


You make things up too much.


No they're not. You made that up too. Show proof the articles written by Ron Paul at that time, nothing reprinted, came out the same time the racist statement articles came out.


because you're an idiot. see your next statement for proof.


He didn't pay them, you idiot. He was just accused of making 1 million dollars in the edited clip shown on CNN.
Ron Paul has always said he had nothing to do with the day to day operation of the newsletter. He was out of politics and practicing medicine. The newsletter had changed hands. He did take a moral responsibility for not paying better attention for something going out in his name.



because your facts are off


no it's not that's another thing you made up


But what ever. Keep acting like an idiot if you like. If it was up to me, I'd let it be up to you. But we have to many control freaks like yourself who think they can run others lives for them. See that's another thing you lied about you dont want to leave things up to me you want government to make those decisions for me.

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no more insults, parker. please.

you sound half-sensible when you drop the insults. the quote above is an example of how bad you make yourself sound when you throw out insult after insult without provocation whatsoever.

Parker said:

See that's another thing you lied about you dont want to leave things up to me you want government to make those decisions for me.

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Generally that wouldn't be true, but in your case I think that is the prudent thing. Yes.

Dan Kone said:

Well, tbh I don't read their articles, so maybe those contain bias, I don't really know, but their statistical data tends to be accurate.

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Where do you prefer to get your "wire feed" for the latest and greatest? Tbh, my FB feed, with as many activist friends as i have on it, is pretty competitive for speed of reporting but not always accuracy lol.

budlover13 said:

Where do you prefer to get your "wire feed" for the latest and greatest? Tbh, my FB feed, with as many activist friends as i have on it, is pretty competitive for speed of reporting but not always accuracy lol.

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TBH it doesn't really matter to me. I keep random news on in the background muted while I trim, make concentrates, etc. All news outlets for the most part seem to cover the same stories. So I'll just kind of pay attention to the headlines, turning the channel if I see anything about someone like Lindsey Lohan. Then if I see a story that interests me, I google search and skim over various results. If it interests me beyond that I'll either try and find their source data, or google phrases in their articles I want to know more about. Then on particular issues, I'll just look em up all the time. I like to follow poll results.

So I guess google would be my main wire feed. I occasionally watch Rachael Maddow and Fareed Zakaria as I consider then to be the only tv journalists with original content. I get most of my information by being curious about something, then googling it. I don't really have any trusted news sources.

IDK if that's the most awesome way to get information or not, but it works for me. When I do want to know about something, I read extensively on that topic from as many sources as I can. Sure beats the hell out of just watching/reading one source. Although it can be somewhat limiting as in sometimes I do not consider topics that are not being discussed. But I feel like I'm as informed as anyone else.

deprave said:

Do tin foil hats shield you from ignorance or something? I don't get it...This doesn't have anything to do with fema concentration camps, it has to do with not being so naive to think governments are your friend and have your best interest in mind. Mankind has been aware of this since before Rome.

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Ok. But none of that shows any proof that Obama is waterboarding. As far as I'm aware there is no information to suggest that is true. That's what I'm objecting to. People just saying something that's outright false and everyone just accepting it as a fact. I know it's a small detail, but the devil is in the details. I'm fine with blaming him for stuff he actually did, it's the make believe I have a problem with.

If everyone could stick with what's real and keep away from convenient embellishments, we'd all be better off IMO.