Ron Paul on the Income Tax

ViRedd

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Yes! Yes! Yes! Right on, 7x ... but the problem is, folks like Med (and Barbara Striesand) don't have confidence in their fellow human beings to be generous to the less fortunate among us, and that's in spite of all evidence to the contrary. And even if they did believe the evidence, there is just something about them, a genetic defect I suspect, that makes them feel just keen about using the hard won successes of others for the purpose of donating to THEIR favorite charity. This actually makes them feel righteous, if you can imagine that!

Vi

PS: Thanks for the kind words Nimbliez ... much apprecitated. :)
 
medicineman

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ViRedd said:
Yes! Yes! Yes! Right on, 7x ... but the problem is, folks like Med (and Barbara Striesand) don't have confidence in their fellow human beings to be generous to the less fortunate among us, and that's in spite of all evidence to the contrary. And even if they did believe the evidence, there is just something about them, a genetic defect I suspect, that makes them feel just keen about using the hard won successes of others for the purpose of donating to THEIR favorite charity. This actually makes them feel righteous, if you can imagine that!

Vi

PS: Thanks for the kind words Nimbliez ... much apprecitated. :)
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folks like Med (and Barbara Striesand) don't have confidence in their fellow human beings to be generous to the less fortunate among us, and that's in spite of all evidence to the contrary
Dr. Vi I presume, after you are finished with your psychoanalysis of me, maybe we can get down to deductive reasoning. You always say be original and bring original thought to the table, why is it you have to shoot barbs at me in every post you agree with your Mutual admiration society. I'd have thought you could make an intelligent post with slobering all over someone else and demeaning me in the process, I guess I was wrong! BTW, show me how a few charitable people can make the less fortunate have a better life, there's not enough of them. Barbra Striesand is a very charitable person, so thanks for putting me in the same category, I could do a lot worse than being linked to Barbra! she is a warm caring individual, unlike those of your "ilk"!
 
7xstall

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Med, everyone of us is "one of them"!! if they gvnmnt freed up half the cash it takes from me i would give more of it away...wouldn't you? you don't have to be a billionaire.
 
medicineman

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7xstall said:
Med, everyone of us is "one of them"!! if they gvnmnt freed up half the cash it takes from me i would give more of it away...wouldn't you? you don't have to be a billionaire.
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7x there are too many of them to eliminate all social programs, and if you eliminate all the income tax, social programs would die a sudden and excruciating death. It sounds so nice to say we are all charitable beings, but would you give the same amount as your taxes to the cause, of course not, and therin lies the dillema. People must be forced to pay for our social programs as they have all these Ideas like Lazy good-for-nothing bums sucking their blood, and why should they the hard working successful people have to help them. The successful people have no Idea or comprehension of how or why someone is not successful. Being on top clouds your humanity vision, there are exceptions, but extremely rare (Bill Gates). You can do a lot to help people, but not all can be successful, there are only so many chiefs, the rest are just Indians!
 
7xstall

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haha, if i'm on top then why does shit keep rolling down on me all the time??



i think the safety net makes people fall. again, i go to my ramblings of expectations and responsibility. take the net away and see if people are willing to give up so easy!

they won't, not when there is real opportunity. not when they have to go to a county or city board and explain what is going and why they need help. a lower, non-fed level system would be amazingly helpful in getting them employed and helping them succeed.

and no, i wouldn't give so much as the gvnmnt takes away, at least not all the time, because my money would go so much further. i really believe that and i know you have to see it too.
 
medicineman

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7xstall said:
haha, if i'm on top then why does shit keep rolling down on me all the time??



i think the safety net makes people fall. again, i go to my ramblings of expectations and responsibility. take the net away and see if people are willing to give up so easy!

they won't, not when there is real opportunity. not when they have to go to a county or city board and explain what is going and why they need help. a lower, non-fed level system would be amazingly helpful in getting them employed and helping them succeed.

and no, i wouldn't give so much as the gvnmnt takes away, at least not all the time, because my money would go so much further. i really believe that and i know you have to see it too.
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So you have made my case for me. BTW take away the net and you have hungry starving people looking for food, and maybe coming to your neighborhood. Yeah a board made of wall mart execs, so you want to make 5.15 an hour and be a success, hooya a plan. The "plan" needs to embrace the whole of society and make everyone inclusive, No Multi-million dollar salaries while people in appalachia and the ghettos are hungry. As one of your esteemed compatriots mentioned Teach them how to fish, don't give them a fish! This is a huge undertaking, and I'm not naive enough to think I have the solutions, but to let the corporations run amok unchecked is not the answer!
 
pauliojr

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It's funny how we are charged an income tax when it was never really ratified!!! They snuck it in while most of the senators were away on X-Mas vacation in 1913. Woodrow Wilson was the president at the time and he even said he had made a huge mistake.

Basically the Federal Reserve prints the money for the United States. The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the government. The Federal Reserve was made by private bankers and is still owned by private bankers who make Bill Gates seem like a hobo!!! The U.S. government (since 1913) borrows money from the Federal Reserve who prints the money for FREE!!!

The income tax is not even a real law. If you tried to look up the law for the income tax...you would never find it!! Because it is not a law!! The income tax doesn't even go towards anything that helps out people in the United States. The income tax (the biggest tax) goes towards the money that the government owes the Federal Reserve!!! The money the government owes the Federal Reserve is outrageous!! So don't expect the income tax to ever go away!!! The Federal Reserve basically owns the United States since they print the money.

So if you are ever arrested or in court for someone that has been arrested for tax avasion or anything like that, ask the judge to find the actual law that says you must pay an income tax. He will never find it!!!! Many people have slipped through the cracks like this. It depends how informed your jury is.
 
medicineman

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pauliojr said:
It's funny how we are charged an income tax when it was never really ratified!!! They snuck it in while most of the senators were away on X-Mas vacation in 1913. Woodrow Wilson was the president at the time and he even said he had made a huge mistake.

Basically the Federal Reserve prints the money for the United States. The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the government. The Federal Reserve was made by private bankers and is still owned by private bankers who make Bill Gates seem like a hobo!!! The U.S. government (since 1913) borrows money from the Federal Reserve who prints the money for FREE!!!

The income tax is not even a real law. If you tried to look up the law for the income tax...you would never find it!! Because it is not a law!! The income tax doesn't even go towards anything that helps out people in the United States. The income tax (the biggest tax) goes towards the money that the government owes the Federal Reserve!!! The money the government owes the Federal Reserve is outrageous!! So don't expect the income tax to ever go away!!! The Federal Reserve basically owns the United States since they print the money.

So if you are ever arrested or in court for someone that has been arrested for tax avasion or anything like that, ask the judge to find the actual law that says you must pay an income tax. He will never find it!!!! Many people have slipped through the cracks like this. It depends how informed your jury is.
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I don't think very many people who end up in an IRS case get off. Their conviction rate is almost 100%. the judges don't listen to your Actual law arguements, they cite 80+ years of precedent.
 
pauliojr

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medicineman said:
I don't think very many people who end up in an IRS case get off. Their conviction rate is almost 100%. the judges don't listen to your Actual law arguements, they cite 80+ years of precedent.
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Well when I said many, I didn't mean majority of people. There has just been numerious occasions where people did get off the hook.
 
ViRedd

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Dr. Vi I presume, after you are finished with your psychoanalysis of me, maybe we can get down to deductive reasoning. You always say be original and bring original thought to the table, why is it you have to shoot barbs at me in every post you agree with your Mutual admiration society.

Because based upon what you post, you are an excellent example. And simply pointing out the obvious isn't exactly "shooting barbs." You take things way to personally Med.

Vi
 
medicineman

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ViRedd said:
Dr. Vi I presume, after you are finished with your psychoanalysis of me, maybe we can get down to deductive reasoning. You always say be original and bring original thought to the table, why is it you have to shoot barbs at me in every post you agree with your Mutual admiration society.

Because based upon what you post, you are an excellent example. And simply pointing out the obvious isn't exactly "shooting barbs." You take things way to personally Med.

Vi
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So if I pointed out the obvious about you it wouldn't set you off, OK, It's obvious to me that you are a self centered egoist that likes to look down on people, brag about your net worth (very subtly) and generally look for confirmation for your right wing beliefs from other plutocrats. you ask questions of me constantly, but never answer one I ask of you. You reek of a superior attitude without foundation and other that that, could be a nice guy. There are probably a few faults I've left out, I'll save them for another time.
 
battosai

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medicineman said:
So if I pointed out the obvious about you it wouldn't set you off, OK, It's obvious to me that you are a self centered egoist that likes to look down on people, brag about your net worth (very subtly) and generally look for confirmation for your right wing beliefs from other plutocrats. you ask questions of me constantly, but never answer one I ask of you. You reek of a superior attitude without foundation and other that that, could be a nice guy. There are probably a few faults I've left out, I'll save them for another time.
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i may be responding to your quote medicineman, but this just doesnt apply to you. in fact, it applies to all of us.

the world is nothing but mirrors of our perception-- this just means that everything we notce about others, what we hate and what we like, is just reflections of what we like and hate about ourselves. im sure in some way everything u just said medicineman, also applies to you. just as my comment about your ego applies to me some how to. these factors dont apply to all of us all the time. only sometimes im an egotistical asshole---in my opinion thats better than being a fulltime asshole.

i like reading the funny personnal attacks. especially the one i read in another thread where some name i dont remember told another name i dont remember that "you really suck at life" thats hilarous.

i think its important tho that we cure our own demons before interjecting all our effort into other people. if u cant take care of your own problems, how will u effect the world in anything but a negative or selfish way? just as the gov isnt only responsible for what they are doing--we are in a way letting them do it by timidly bitching about whats wrong instead of agreeing on the next course of action and DOING it.

humans in general are wide spectrum creatures, containing all the good and bad in the world. what we choose to focus on and act on is according to our own preference, or lack of preference.

i see a lot of things being passed around here. people dislike selfish people and think we should be selfless and benevolent and whatever else our morals or ethics claim we should be. being selfless doesnt mean beng some saint. it just means that instead of all of your actions and thoughts being centered around self...think about how what u do effects others. none of us are either selfish completely (god i hope) or completely selfless. its like a scale of two extremes that we all fall into different places at different times. realizing that people arent what they do at a momment, but are a collective of what they have and will do should make forgiveness easier, as we can all wander from the path of togetherness.

all i can recommend to any of us is to attempt as often as possible to be mindful. What are u trying to accomplish when u say something rude or funny or serious? why are u trying to accomplish that? did u not think? why not? to sharpen awareness is to accept control and manifestive responsibility of your own life, and your relationship with others.

thank u for reading my thoughts.
 
7xstall

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nice post battosai.

haven't been here long but i get the feeling that Med and Vi smack each other around for shits and giggles more than to draw blood. they know they can count on each other to always disagree. :)
 
battosai

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7xstall said:
nice post battosai.

haven't been here long but i get the feeling that Med and Vi smack each other around for shits and giggles more than to draw blood. they know they can count on each other to always disagree. :)
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haha at first i was high and a little paranoid thinking they were perhaps bots programmed to pass political posts back and forth. im not convinced they arent, but i dont BELIEVE they are.

i guess resolution would take the fun out of arguing.
 
medicineman

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thank u for reading my thoughts No problem, and there was a lot of truth in what you were saying. I have personally met Vi and he seemed like a genuinely nice man. The thing is, when he commands me to present facts and then derides me when I refuse for the principle of the thing, I can't be still. I must defend my right to not be bossed around, after all, I had 50+ years of that shit as a worker. he demands I answer his questions and refuses to answer mine, So when he said he was just exposing my personality from my posts I felt I should let him know how I see him from his posts, nothing more, nothing less. He very well may be the genuinely nice man I met in Vegas, or that might have been a fasade.
 
ViRedd

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Actually, we are NOT the same poster ... I just said that for fun.

Med ... the reason I ask you questions is because you make wild assertions then NEVER back them up with fact. You come across as a typical leftie ... all "feelings" and "emotion" with your political views and not much depth in the thought department. And ... as far as I remember, I've answered every question you've ever asked me ... at least to the best of my ability. Also, you assume a lot of things ... my net worth for one. To date, I don't believe you've ever looked into my bank accounts or my check book. And yes ... I really am that nice guy you met in Vegas. I'll be there next year too ... and we'll do breakfast again ... God willing.

Vi
 
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