root rot/ tub color question

hey everyone im new here. but ive been growin for a lil bit now n i am switchin to dwc bubbleponic system.

im using a dark blue roughneck 18 gal container and a 10 gal for my clones.

i just recently noticed that when i open the lid a tiny bit n peek in i can see the light come thru the lid n make it so its not complete darkness to where i cant see nothing at all.

question is does it have to be pitch black or is this ok? and could this be why my roots have brown areas in and out of the solution? cuz i will buy black tubs if i can find em if i have too.

thanks so much for all the help i can get?

So I have been lookin thru a few threads n I think it is a problem. Some of you tape your tubs up or paint them. And about the rot I'm not sure but I guess you could use peroxcide? But the more I read the worse it seemed. Ill see if I can take some pics n throw some more info down on what I'm doin soon.

Instead of posting pics cover your tub or paint it then change your water & add a little H2O2 give it a week then post pics of the results.

Hi trayne welcome to RIU....

what are you water temperatures? Anything over 70F. and you are inviting pathogens, Plus you lose something like 30% dissolved oxygen in the water, for every ten degrees the temp goes up.

As for using H202, I personally am not a big fan of the regular 3% stuff your going to get at the store( [personally im not a fan of h202 except in very extreme circumstances, I much prefer beneficial bacteria to avoid problems( ie products hydroguard, aquashield, & if a problem develops I use something like hygrozyme, changing the water frequently. )

If you are going to use h202 3% I would use one teaspoon per gallon of water.

If you can get ahold of 35% h202 you will be much better off, something like hydrotek super white..Hit up filthy Fletch.. or do a google search with "filthy fletch and h202"
he is a big user of h202. and he knows the proper application of it.. he uses it as a preventive/ treatment throughout his grow..



if you choose to use h202, dont bother using organic nutes, or benefcial bacterica, cause the h202 will take it out, although enzymes like hygrozyme work with h202.

ALSO GH micro, can stain your roots brown, and when I used AN, my roots were stained a little brown, nothing like the stain from GH, but nothing to worry about. if your plants are healthy, and the res temps are good, and the roots just look a little stained.. might not be anything to worry about..

if you want post up a pic, ill give you my opinion


peace in.. much love..

wow thanks medi. and yea i like this site theres a tone of info and knowledge here. i dont know what my temps are actually. dont have a temp in the water. my room has been faily consistent with 82-84 at 45-50% which im tryin to bring up. but its harder when your not doin ebb n flow. that throws it thru the roof for me.

i am using gh. that micro is thick n dark. i guess that could be whats goin on. my buddy has nice clear whites but i havnt givin him no nutes yet so maybe thats it.

i dont wanna use h2o2. cuz im scrrd n not sure if i need it. i was just worried about the slight light comin thru the resevoir.

i cant take pics right now cuz my babes n veg is in the closet of my flower room lol so i cant get in till 9. but tonight or in the mornin ill try to post pics of what my stuff looks like. hopefully theres not even a problem!! n im just trippin. id rather not go thru the trouble of taping my res' that seems like such a hassle.

and i know im goin to run into this problem of how do i put pics up? do i have to have them on a link for real? dont no how to do that

you can just upload them here...
Well filthy fetch uses it throughout his grow, as well as many other growers, I think if you going to use it, just use it throughout the whole grow.
The reason I dont use it is because I use benefecial bacteria(which actually produces enzymes), but lets say I was in a situation where I didnt have one of those products I would use H202 throughout my grow if I devopled a proble,, the thing about h202 is it takes out everything, good and bad bacteria, so lets say you do have root rot, and you add h202 only a couple times, if it doesnt kill off all the root rot, its going to come back, but much worse, because all the good bacteria is gone.

I Forgot to tell yah! make sure your using RO water, tap water is gross, god only knows whats in there.. basically recyled pee...you and your girl deserve better.


Im not sure what size your res is, but if your room temps are up around, 82-85 I bet your res temps are just a little below that, im going to say 78F. you should get a cheapo thermo and check the temps on ur rez.

I had this set up one time man there was choke light getting in, I used a piece FRP( Reinforced Fiberglass Panel), it was white and there was SOOO much light getting in the water.. But my water temps never got over 63F.(which is a bit cold) but no alage, was using technaflora bc bloom and boost, (which doesnt stain roots) roots stayed white all the way through...

Although its def MUCH better to keep out all the light...cause water gets over 70F + Light=uhoh
hehe

is this ur first time DWC?

MediMary I have a quick question:

Does using RO water take away all chemicals & compounds beneficial & non beneficial?

Thanks.


trayne You can upload pic using the "Manage atachments" icon, if you dont see it click on "Go advanceed" & itll be at the bottom. Alternativly you can post good quality pics quickly via Photobucket, which also allows you to edit or delete them after you have submitted uploading it directly using "Manage attachments" doesnt allow this option.

here is a link for you
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/83532-do-not-use-hydrogen-peroxide-2.html

yep it is my first dwc. i am comin from ebb n flow with rockwool .. soooo lame i hate it. anyways i did get some pics together. so the first three pics are my veg n their roots. the next two are my babes . the last one is my horrible flowering goin on its 7th day of 3rd week . small lame buds im not proud of i i ono what the prob is . lame tho

iloveit said:

MediMary I have a quick question:

Does using RO water take away all chemicals & compounds beneficial & non beneficial?

Thanks.


trayne You can upload pic using the "Manage atachments" icon, if you dont see it click on "Go advanceed" & itll be at the bottom. Alternativly you can post good quality pics quickly via Photobucket, which also allows you to edit or delete them after you have submitted uploading it directly using "Manage attachments" doesnt allow this option.

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from my understanding, some living bacteria can pass through the RO machine, due to slight imperfections in the filtering process,

For example here in town, If I was to go to the water store, and buy RO water, they first run it through a RO machine, then run it through some ultraviolet light.. as the guy explained to me the RO doesnt always take out all the bacteria..

.. if I had the ultraviolet light, to go along with my RO.
I probably wouldnt use any root treatments, I would skip bacteria, enzymes, and h202, unless a problem developed of course.

probably my next purchase = )

trayne said:

yep it is my first dwc. i am comin from ebb n flow with rockwool .. soooo lame i hate it. anyways i did get some pics together. so the first three pics are my veg n their roots. the next two are my babes . the last one is my horrible flowering goin on its 7th day of 3rd week . small lame buds im not proud of i i ono what the prob is . lame tho

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what do you hate? ebb n flow? I never tried it = )

well looking at the pictures, Im thinking you might have some problems, some of the pictures of the roots look like ( correct me if im wrong ) some are white, and some are dark?? like in picture 2 & 5.
If you have staining from the GH micro, the roots will all be roughly the same color, if you have root rot or something, some roots will be brown(dark) and some will look somewhat healthy(in a non severe case).




did you get a reading on your root temps?

peace n luv

I used duct tape to cover the lid and there doesnt seem to be any light getting in. cheap and easy, Id give it a try . also a question, if you use organic nutes what can you use to treat roor rot. I am going to be using the floranova series and was just wondering incase I run into that problem.

polishfalcon420 said:

I used duct tape to cover the lid and there doesnt seem to be any light getting in. cheap and easy, Id give it a try . also a question, if you use organic nutes what can you use to treat roor rot. I am going to be using the floranova series and was just wondering incase I run into that problem.

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when using organics, You can use benefical bacteria which is my recomendation,(aqua shield, GH sub culture, hydroguard,) or you can use a enzyme based product(ie hygrozyme)

dont use h202 if your using organic nutes= )
Dont use h202 if your using a beneficial bacteria.

n much luv

duct tape is good stuff= ) thats my light blocker of choice = )

where would you use the ultra violet light. youd put it in the res? im gunna get a temp guage today n see what it is tonight. im thinkin bout goin to buckets . n ditchin the res. seems like my plants would have more room to get bigger n less crowded. but im trippin bout the expanded clay. i dont want mold or have to worry bout that i like my neoprene n how it keeps everything nice n sealed. maybe ill just use my neoprene in my 2" net pots n put it in the top of the bucket. but i dont want the plant to tip ... what do you use medi?

great question buddy= ) for the longest time I used expanded clay, and rockwool
but I have found that going with NO medium is WAYYYYY FUCKING BETTER!!!

So this is how I do it these days, i just cut about a 2 inch hole in whatever top I might be using, then I use a 3 inch neoprene to hold the plant, the roots just dangle in water(no medium) then after they get a little bigger i just duck tape the neoprenes down, I also use a scrog/sog type set up( i have multiple plants, but i use the screen to give my plants support.

I never have to flush, dont have any fluctations with ph in the rockwell, less surface area to grow alage on.
You can actually see whats going on in the root mass.. when its in them pots with rockwool and all that medium, you dont know what is going on in that net cup, I use to have to flush the net pots out once in awhile due to build up of salts, never have that problem now( i dont know if I had to, i just did it for peace of mind)




I will never ever use rockwool and hydrottoin in any of my DWC sets ups ever again, unless my power cloner goes out or something = |



also If your having problems with temps.. may I suggest just going out and buying a cheap o bathtub, or a cheapo resevoir, ( at least a 40 gallon)
The more water mass, the longer it will take to warm up.

just put a gallon of water in the sun, ten gallons, & 50 gallons in the sun, it will take much longer for the 50 gallons to heat up= )

same thing in your grow room, if you have plants in 1 gallon buckets, 5 gallon buckets, and 50 gallon tubs, if the ambient temp in the room is 85. with the 50 gallons, you will probably be around 72F. (depending on the thickness and insulation of the container you choose, I custom make my containers = ) with the 1 gallon buckets.. probably like 81F.
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tight thats what im gunna do. so you use 1 gallon black buckets.

MediMary said:

great question buddy= ) for the longest time I used expanded clay, and rockwool
but I have found that going with NO medium is WAYYYYY FUCKING BETTER!!!

So this is how I do it these days, i just cut about a 2 inch hole in whatever top I might be using, then I use a 3 inch neoprene to hold the plant, the roots just dangle in water(no medium) then after they get a little bigger i just duck tape the neoprenes down, I also use a scrog/sog type set up( i have multiple plants, but i use the screen to give my plants support.

I never have to flush, dont have any fluctations with ph in the rockwell, less surface area to grow alage on.
You can actually see whats going on in the root mass.. when its in them pots with rockwool and all that medium, you dont know what is going on in that net cup, I use to have to flush the net pots out once in awhile due to build up of salts, never have that problem now( i dont know if I had to, i just did it for peace of mind)




I will never ever use rockwool and hydrottoin in any of my DWC sets ups ever again, unless my power cloner goes out or something = |



also If your having problems with temps.. may I suggest just going out and buying a cheap o bathtub, or a cheapo resevoir, ( at least a 40 gallon)
The more water mass, the longer it will take to warm up.

just put a gallon of water in the sun, ten gallons, & 50 gallons in the sun, it will take much longer for the 50 gallons to heat up= )

same thing in your grow room, if you have plants in 1 gallon buckets, 5 gallon buckets, and 50 gallon tubs, if the ambient temp in the room is 85. with the 50 gallons, you will probably be around 72F. (depending on the thickness and insulation of the container you choose, I custom make my containers = ) with the 1 gallon buckets.. probably like 81F.
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Im struggling to remove these damn roots from the clay pebbles which Id like to reuse, can you give me any tips on how to remove it totally, quickly & easily?
I hate all most growing mediums because of the disposing factor, Id really to see your grow op how about a few pics?
How about some pics of your setup

what do you mean? like any tricks to clean your expanded clay after your done growing? eh I like using h202 then = ) usually put some screen over the downspout in the bathtub, tape it down(so no pebbles can get down the drain) .all the sediment goes down.. then couple quick rinses in some pots with some holes drilled in them.. (ghetto)
lol

I am just doing a little breeding at the moment, as I just finished a grow not to long ago(with a really sad ending, ie...got robbed).. Then will probably be off to a new spot, in which case I will be starting from seed, and be back to using the rockwool the first go around. I will post up some pics as an example of how I do it without the rockwool though, I promise to take some nice pictures for you= )

*just to make clear, to grow without medium, has to be from a clone, that has been started with aero,(ie power cloner, ez cloner, diy mister, )*

If your set up already has holes in it built for mesh pots...what you could do is 1st get a power cloner or DIY, 2nd cut the bottoms off the meshpots, just the part that looks like screen, 3rd buy neoprenes that fit into snuggly into your size meshpot, 4th put the aero clone in the neoprene, put the neorpene in the net pot(with the bottom cut out), now you have gotten rid of the media = )

although the plant has a more solid foundation if the hole is say 2 inches and the neoprene is 4 inches, not using a net pot at all, there is that overlap of the neoprene around the lid, giving you a place to tape it down.. where if you use a neoprene in a net pot it will be, 3inches and the net pot 3 inches,(the net pot does give it some support, but not as much as the overlap, already tried both)
I like using the scrog either way.. I will take pictures for you, sorry if confusing ... pm me if you have any questions

and trayne

me personally? nah I would stay away from one gallon buckets,

I use 50 -80 gallon boxes. I make them out of 2x4's and plywood.Then I put black plastic as a liner to keep the water in..( they sell at home depot and lowes) cover them with RFP ( reinforced fiberglass paneling) the boxes are roughly 8 feet long 2 feet wide and 8 inches deep... I cant remember the exact messurments. if you going to build your own box, pm me ill help you get it together


honestly it sucks doing Individual buckets that arnt connected to a reservoir. Lets say you had 8 buckets.. you have to do the ph and ppm for each one individually.
the more water IN ONE CONTAINER, the easier it is to keep cool too(if not using a chiller).. easier to monitor ur plants..

http://www.horticulturesource.com/hydrotek-30-gallon-reservoir-p5748/?osCsid=1ae235fa0c0e18a05557d6a80c615412

above is something simple if you dont want to deal with building your own= )
just buy a piece of RFP, cut 2 pieces the same size as a lid,( drill those two pieces to each other, the RFP is pretty tough, but it can flex a bit, so I would double up )
then cut the holes out using a hole saw, transfer your water pumps and stones, and your all set = )





if your having problems with them temps, freeze a water bottle, tie some fishing line on there.. and drop in it in during the hotter part of the day, just make sure the outside of the bottle is clean, so your not introducing pathogens or anything...

did you end up adding some h202? or stop by the hydro store? whats them temps like= )

i havnt added anything i just went and got some good cheap suction cup thermometers. just checked and there both at 76. i see some new white root growth in the veg res. n i was lookin close at the babies and it may not look like it in the pics but there all white. i just added about 5ml of micro n 10 of gro in there since i dont have anywhere to put the ones that are ready to start movin. o well.

whats your method on cleaning that huge box? i guess pump out then pull the plastic out n replace or rinse n wash off? seems like itd be hard to not be messy. but pretty easy to keep the water all done together. how often would you change solution. n do you move from a veg to a flower room cuz i do . id have to have more then one and transfer plant by plant or lid to lid. may be hard as big that is tho.

my plan is to take more pics again tonight but i dont think theres much of a change. but yea its 76 degrees in both.

ill be back later