Roy Moore

deno

deno

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People seem to only blame white men, but look at how white women are voting.
  • 63 percent of white women voted for Roy Moore.
  • 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump
  • 56 percent of white women voted for Mitt Romney
  • 53 percent of white women voted for John McCain
  • 55 percent of white women voted for George W. Bush in 2004
  • 49 percent of white women voted for George W. Bush, in 2000, one point more than for Gore

I believe Trump won all age demographics of whites.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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too larry said:
As great as this makes us feel, in two years Jones will be a footnote. This was a special election after all. Surely those guys would not run someone this bad again.

Not sure where I heard it, but on the radio. The news reader was pointing out that Moore was trying to sleep with teens in the 70's. It was a different world then, but 14 is kind of young, even for Alabama.
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I think you are right about Jones being in a tenuous position. That 1.5% margin he won by can quickly evaporate like truth does in a Republican's speech.

On the other hand, he's the one calling the shots. There is nothing else for him to do but do but his best for Alabama's voters. As pada says, he's going to have to do some political calculus regarding his positions. We'll see where he goes with this.

He's a solid guy in terms of civil rights record. His backing by the black community is as good as it can get. We'll see how this plays out but it's my bet that he doesn't sell out his civil rights position and social programs that the needs of the black community..

One has to ask what good Republicans have been for Alabama. Maybe he can do better there.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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deno said:
People seem to only blame white men, but look at how white women are voting.
  • 63 percent of white women voted for Roy Moore.
  • 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump
  • 56 percent of white women voted for Mitt Romney
  • 53 percent of white women voted for John McCain
  • 55 percent of white women voted for George W. Bush in 2004
  • 49 percent of white women voted for George W. Bush, in 2000, one point more than for Gore

I believe Trump won all age demographics of whites.
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Yes, there are a lot of white rednecks there and it isn't just the men.

I believe the largest factor in Jones' win was the low turnout by white evangelical Christians. Their turnout was down three percent compared to other election years. The ones that did vote went strongly to Moore.

Other groups showed pretty good turnout compared to other years. One difference was a larger number of people who self identified as liberal. That group was larger than expected (23% said they were liberal at exit polls while Gallup polls found only 17% of the people of Alabama said they were liberal)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.0dcffb5e5ed3
 
Sour Wreck

Sour Wreck

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Fogdog said:
I believe the largest factor in Jones' win was the low turnout by white evangelical Christians. Their turnout was down three percent compared to other election years. The ones that did vote went strongly to Moore.
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a recent poll shows evangelical support for trump slipping from 78% to 61%.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
"We both belong to the radical middle... my advice to Doug Jones is this, is, you be an Alabama Democrat." -Joe Manchin
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That was good advice. For Jones, his task is to build a coalition that can win again a few years from now. He has several very interesting and different groups to thank for his win. Disaffected Christian Evangelists, African Americans and Alabama's white liberals. From what French says, Jones has the opportunity to claim support from real Christians who reject the Tea Party radical right wing represented by Trump. Then there is Tyson, a black activist who quite honestly sounds off about the same issues you do, as well as the issues of racial social equality.

I think that people like French and Tyson can represent a new kind of coalition. Jake Carnley is another voice in the coalition that Jones needs to serve. Being a moderate Democrat doesn't mean being a blue Republican. I don't have high hopes but I think they are the kind of people Jones has to serve in order to win.

Nancy French, an evangelist who opposed Moore:
As a Southern, conservative, Christian person, I have felt like all of my identifiers have been yanked from me and that I've believed years and years and years of lies from the Republican Party. And that much is true. However, the fact that my friends and neighbors came out and actually sent a message that this is not what we're about, it's just very inspiring to me.

SHEILA TYSON, a leader in the effort to turn out the African American vote:
Well, you know, we had some very tough issues here in the state of Alabama. We had - we do not have Medicaid expansion. They never did get it out the whole time that the president - Barack Obama was in office. We also - we do not have - they turned down our increase in minimum wage. We're still at $7.25. And the jobs that they are bringing into the state of Alabama, they don't have paid leave of absence, they're not promoting women the way they should, and it's not fair wages for all black women.

Jake Carnley, millenial, buisiness owner
“The priorities have definitely changed to the economy and, in this election, simple decency. As this administration gets more zany, people have to decide whether they’re at on decency and choose empathy or ignorance, empathy or issues that could really divide us. As millennials, we’ve made a conscious choice.”

Carnley added: “I think one reason we are able to choose empathy is that we know gay people and we know black people. We are locking arms with people in this fight and have real stakes in it and that’s perhaps something our parents and grandparents never had. For millennials, it’s about being able to put a face and a personality to an issue rather than just an idea.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/16/alabama-senate-election-doug-jones-roy-moore-donald-trump
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/14/570723592/jones-victory-credited-to-african-american-voters
 
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