royal queen seeds

Euforia94 · Nov 30, 2023

Their site is legitimate but sincerely Rqs is a major player I just read and in what way? Tell me one of their varieties that marked its time...

Royal queen seed, let's talk about it, nothing very innovative, all their "new varieties" are copies from elsewhere, mimosa, gelato, purple punch... a collector of genetics that he sells to us at reasonable prices for attract amateurs but which are far from the originals, almost not even stabilized (big difference between the phenos) a low germination rate 1/2, their vegetable which is doing well 1/2, herma in mid-flowering, in Europe we know them very good, we start with them in general because they are "Full Marketing" without really justifying it in the end, despite decent quality, I have never found anything exceptional, with the end of prohibition in America there is no there is no longer any need to go through genetic collectors without innovative talents like Rqs, you may be able to find an interesting pheno but at the end of 2023 you will have such a pool of passionate and talented breeders who innovate and invent genetics and end up on Rqs who only rename varieties and follow trends is heresy in my eyes.
Good hunting to you however, I had to bring my experience and the general feeling of the enthusiasts I met, don't see any aggressiveness there.

Below, here is the montage that a friend made for us on this subject (life is a bet on the unknown and that, Royal Queen SEED understood it well lol)

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cannabiscrusader · Nov 30, 2023

Euforia94 said:
Their site is legitimate but sincerely Rqs is a major player I just read and in what way? Tell me one of their varieties that marked its time...

Royal queen seed, let's talk about it, nothing very innovative, all their "new varieties" are copies from elsewhere, mimosa, gelato, purple punch... a collector of genetics that he sells to us at reasonable prices for attract amateurs but which are far from the originals, almost not even stabilized (big difference between the phenos) a low germination rate 1/2, their vegetable which is doing well 1/2, herma in mid-flowering, in Europe we know them very good, we start with them in general because they are "Full Marketing" without really justifying it in the end, despite decent quality, I have never found anything exceptional, with the end of prohibition in America there is no there is no longer any need to go through genetic collectors without innovative talents like Rqs, you may be able to find an interesting pheno but at the end of 2023 you will have such a pool of passionate and talented breeders who innovate and invent genetics and end up on Rqs who only rename varieties and follow trends is heresy in my eyes.
Good hunting to you however, I had to bring my experience and the general feeling of the enthusiasts I met, don't see any aggressiveness there.

Below, here is the montage that a friend made for us on this subject (life is a bet on the unknown and that, Royal Queen SEED understood it well lol)
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Right. I had to pop 20 beans to find the keeper. The rest of the batch did nothing for me. Maybe I got lucky

IndooorGardnerOhio · Dec 1, 2023

Euforia94 said:
Their site is legitimate but sincerely Rqs is a major player I just read and in what way? Tell me one of their varieties that marked its time...

Royal queen seed, let's talk about it, nothing very innovative, all their "new varieties" are copies from elsewhere, mimosa, gelato, purple punch... a collector of genetics that he sells to us at reasonable prices for attract amateurs but which are far from the originals, almost not even stabilized (big difference between the phenos) a low germination rate 1/2, their vegetable which is doing well 1/2, herma in mid-flowering, in Europe we know them very good, we start with them in general because they are "Full Marketing" without really justifying it in the end, despite decent quality, I have never found anything exceptional, with the end of prohibition in America there is no there is no longer any need to go through genetic collectors without innovative talents like Rqs, you may be able to find an interesting pheno but at the end of 2023 you will have such a pool of passionate and talented breeders who innovate and invent genetics and end up on Rqs who only rename varieties and follow trends is heresy in my eyes.
Good hunting to you however, I had to bring my experience and the general feeling of the enthusiasts I met, don't see any aggressiveness there.

Below, here is the montage that a friend made for us on this subject (life is a bet on the unknown and that, Royal Queen SEED understood it well lol)
View attachment 5347722

Thank you for such an honest take

Granddaddy_terp · Dec 7, 2023

If there’s one thing I wish I knew when I first started growing it would have been to avoid all these white label seed distributors. RQS, ILGM, Growers Choice, Seedsman etc etc. The genetics are subpar. There are dozens and dozens of awesome breeders on the market these days, and not all of them are ridiculously expensive. You’ll get much better quality from breeders like Cannarado, Clearwater, Brothers Grimm, Bodhi, Exotic, CSI Humboldt, Archive, Raw, Ethos, Mosca, In House, Bloom, Beleaf, 808 and Lovin In Her Eyes. Some of them are quite affordable as well.

IndooorGardnerOhio · Dec 7, 2023

Granddaddy_terp said:
If there’s one thing I wish I knew when I first started growing it would have been to avoid all these white label seed distributors. RQS, ILGM, Growers Choice, Seedsman etc etc. The genetics are subpar. There are dozens and dozens of awesome breeders on the market these days, and not all of them are ridiculously expensive. You’ll get much better quality from breeders like Cannarado, Clearwater, Brothers Grimm, Bodhi, Exotic, CSI Humboldt, Archive, Raw, Ethos, Mosca, In House, Bloom, Beleaf, 808 and Lovin In Her Eyes. Some of them are quite affordable as well.

I guess that really depends on what your definition of quite affordable is. If you consider 12 to 17.50 per seed affordable, then we differ on what we consider affaordable. Maybe somewhere down the line ill be able to afford that, but from all the places including some of the breeders you listed they are simply out of the range of what i can afford as of right now.

I went with NASC and their 2 and 5 dollar seed menu, that is what I consider affordable personally.

curious2garden · Dec 7, 2023

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Bodhi has about 13 seeds/pack making those roughly 3.50/seed which is a very good price for his excellent genetics. Some of the best I've run has been Bodhi

Granddaddy_terp · Dec 7, 2023

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
I guess that really depends on what your definition of quite affordable is. If you consider 12 to 17.50 per seed affordable, then we differ on what we consider affaordable. Maybe somewhere down the line ill be able to afford that, but from all the places including some of the breeders you listed they are simply out of the range of what i can afford as of right now.

I went with NASC and their 2 and 5 dollar seed menu, that is what I consider affordable personally.

I consider under $10 per seed to be affordable, but a number of the breeders I mentioned have seeds for significantly less than $10 per seed. Clearwater Genetics sells packs of his fems (12+ seeds) for between $70-$110, while Brothers Grimm is currently selling some of his 9 packs (fems) for as little as $12.50. Bodhi packs (11 regs) typically retail for $45-$70 and Mosca has certain 2 packs on Multiverse beans for $10. Exotic has back stock packs (6 fems/11 regs) for $50 on his website, while Tiki Madman sells packs of fems (10+ seeds) for $85.

amneziaHaze · Jan 25, 2024

They are not the best but they are not the worst.a got a few packs last year because they where the only ones that had strains that i wanted.and the price is normal where others charge 30€ a pack they do 10.if i could i would order online but too muvh of a risk.i might do a diary this year with their chocholate haze and cerial milk(girlscout cookies)

conor c · Jan 28, 2024

Some of there stuffs ok some is meh they probably just bulk buy from spanish producers like 96%of the dutch outfits that may change as theres a trial going on allowing more growing going on rn in holland but i think thats just for flower rn so as it stands yeah most dont risk it and import seeds from spain as hollands too strict i think kc brains and karma and a couple of other old school guys are the only ones who still do there stuff in holland rather than elsewhere anways rqs isnt the best or worst out there

IndooorGardnerOhio · Jan 28, 2024

cannabiscrusader said:
Right. I had to pop 20 beans to find the keeper. The rest of the batch did nothing for me. Maybe I got lucky

What do you define as a Keeper? Maybe its because im so new to growing cannabis, but If it makes it to flower and gives me at least 2 ounces dry weight off an Auto, and the smoke actually causes an effect, either reduces my pain or gets me high, that is a keeper in my book.

But I am honestly curious what those who have been growing longer look for in what they consider a Winning Pheno Keeper?

IndooorGardnerOhio · Jan 28, 2024

amneziaHaze said:
They are not the best but they are not the worst.a got a few packs last year because they where the only ones that had strains that i wanted.and the price is normal where others charge 30€ a pack they do 10.if i could i would order online but too muvh of a risk.i might do a diary this year with their chocholate haze and cerial milk(girlscout cookies)

I think my biggest issue, came from watching the video on Youtube call "The Abc's of fake seeds" By Darkhorse Genetics, Granted ill admit, it does come across as he is pissed off about them using the name of a strain he created and his photos, which is justifiable. But the main issue that concerns me is how legit the strains they say used to create the strains are. Some of the strains they say they have seeds of, for example I have learned are clone only strains originally, but that does not mean someone did not buy a clone, reverse and seed it, and then grow up a bunch of them and seed them.

But honest question here. If the Orginal breeder created a strain, We will use Bruce Banner for an example here, that was if i remember right a cross between Sour Diesel and Strawberry Cough and someone else uses the same two strains but not the same exact plants, How close will they actually be to the original? IF they are using the right two plants.

My thing is I want to do some Auto Crosses, and If I buy seeds for a strain to Cross, Like say an Auto Of Coloumbian Gold and an Auto Of Columbian Red dot to cross them, I want to know I am actually getting THOSE two strains crossed with Ruderalis to create an Auto. What I dont want is to buy something called Auto Columbian Gold and have it turn out to have Zero columbian gold genetics in it. I know it has to be crossed with Ruderalis, Im fine with that but I dont want it to be some generic Mid Hindu Kush labled as Columbian gold.

MtRainDog · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
What do you define as a Keeper? Maybe its because im so new to growing cannabis, but If it makes it to flower and gives me at least 2 ounces dry weight off an Auto, and the smoke actually causes an effect, either reduces my pain or gets me high, that is a keeper in my book.

But I am honestly curious what those who have been growing longer look for in what they consider a Winning Pheno Keeper?

It can be an eye of the beholder kinda thing, but for me it's all about does it get me high after frequent use for months. Most plants after 1 or 2 times sampling don't even get me high anymore. So I just move along to the next thing. But the ones you keep reaching for that jar, after months, or years, those are the real keepers.

MtRainDog · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
But honest question here. If the Orginal breeder created a strain, We will use Bruce Banner for an example here, that was if i remember right a cross between Sour Diesel and Strawberry Cough and someone else uses the same two strains but not the same exact plants, How close will they actually be to the original? IF they are using the right two plants.

It's a crap shoot honestly. But generally, it's the specific parent plants used in the cross that are the key. Using a different Sour Diesel and different Strawberry Cough will likely not get you some award winning pheno of Bruce Banner. It just doesn't work that way.

Sensi seeds is the prime example of what happens when you lose the original parents. All the strains they've sold for 30+ years are not the same as they used to be. Everyone knows this. Kali Mist, same thing. White Widow, same thing. So if any of those are the building blocks of whatever cross you want to make, you're really going to be far off because your starting parents aren't actually White Widow or Kali Mist, etc because those don't even exist anymore.

You'd have better luck re-creating strains where you can source the same clones that were used (assuming fem crosses here because most breeders don't give up their prized males). Like, you could re-create Motorbreath (SFV x Chem D), but you can't re-create White Widow. I hope that makes sense.

cannabiscrusader · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
What do you define as a Keeper? Maybe its because im so new to growing cannabis, but If it makes it to flower and gives me at least 2 ounces dry weight off an Auto, and the smoke actually causes an effect, either reduces my pain or gets me high, that is a keeper in my book.

But I am honestly curious what those who have been growing longer look for in what they consider a Winning Pheno Keeper?

Once you find a strain with good potency, then I look at structure, terp profile, roots, vigor, and how well it clones. PM resistance is also a priority. You'd be surprised how differently 20 seeds from the same batch can develop

IndooorGardnerOhio · Jan 28, 2024

MtRainDog said:
It's a crap shoot honestly. But generally, it's the specific parent plants used in the cross that are the key. Using a different Sour Diesel and different Strawberry Cough will likely not get you some award winning pheno of Bruce Banner. It just doesn't work that way.

Sensi seeds is the prime example of what happens when you lose the original parents. All the strains they've sold for 30+ years are not the same as they used to be. Everyone knows this. Kali Mist, same thing. White Widow, same thing. So if any of those are the building blocks of whatever cross you want to make, you're really going to be far off because your starting parents aren't actually White Widow or Kali Mist, etc because those don't even exist anymore.

You'd have better luck re-creating strains where you can source the same clones that were used (assuming fem crosses here because most breeders don't give up their prized males). Like, you could re-create Motorbreath (SFV x Chem D), but you can't re-create White Widow. I hope that makes sense.

So basically most of them out there contain the same strains as the og version, but not the same micro genetics?

IndooorGardnerOhio · Jan 28, 2024

cannabiscrusader said:
Once you find a strain with good potency, then I look at structure, terp profile, roots, vigor, and how well it clones. PM resistance is also a priority. You'd be surprised how differently 20 seeds from the same batch can develop

Well cloning will not be a thing for me for at least many years, I prefer autos and Only have one tent no room to keep a mother plant even if I wanted to. But I guess I could replace How well it clones, with How well it reverses lol

MtRainDog · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
So basically most of them out there contain the same strains as the og version, but not the same micro genetics?

Tough to say. If it's coming from a bulk bean place, then it's all rather questionable. A lot of these clone only mothers barely produce pollen, or may be really tough to reverse, who knows. But it won't stop those guys from selling it, even if "it" isn't actually what they say it is. Better off in many cases to just use some mom in their stable that lets the other plant shine through. But then you aren't really getting what you think you are. On top of that, there's lots of fake cuts out there. These places that claim to have hundred's of these famous clone onlys that they use for the hundreds of fem crosses they sell are full of shit imo. CSI is basically the only fem maker operating that many moms where I'd trust it is what he says it is. And even then, he's been known to be mistaken.

MtRainDog · Jan 28, 2024

Another curiosity is that you'll find hardly any herms in the seeds from these bulk places. Even in genetics that are well known to herm.

IME growing CSI, GPS, Clearwater, who actually have the plants they say they do, I encountered a fairly frequent number of herms, as expected. It's just the reality of the genetics at play.

But I never saw a herm in anything from a bulk place... so why is that you think?

amneziaHaze · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
I think my biggest issue, came from watching the video on Youtube call "The Abc's of fake seeds" By Darkhorse Genetics, Granted ill admit, it does come across as he is pissed off about them using the name of a strain he created and his photos, which is justifiable. But the main issue that concerns me is how legit the strains they say used to create the strains are. Some of the strains they say they have seeds of, for example I have learned are clone only strains originally, but that does not mean someone did not buy a clone, reverse and seed it, and then grow up a bunch of them and seed them.

But honest question here. If the Orginal breeder created a strain, We will use Bruce Banner for an example here, that was if i remember right a cross between Sour Diesel and Strawberry Cough and someone else uses the same two strains but not the same exact plants, How close will they actually be to the original? IF they are using the right two plants.

My thing is I want to do some Auto Crosses, and If I buy seeds for a strain to Cross, Like say an Auto Of Coloumbian Gold and an Auto Of Columbian Red dot to cross them, I want to know I am actually getting THOSE two strains crossed with Ruderalis to create an Auto. What I dont want is to buy something called Auto Columbian Gold and have it turn out to have Zero columbian gold genetics in it. I know it has to be crossed with Ruderalis, Im fine with that but I dont want it to be some generic Mid Hindu Kush labled as Columbian gold.

yea thats all a mater of taste and skill one breeeder will chase speed one thc one yield.... its up to you to figure out what each is chasing and then pick the breeder. plants will be different but still similar genetics.

conor c · Jan 28, 2024

IndooorGardnerOhio said:
Well cloning will not be a thing for me for at least many years, I prefer autos and Only have one tent no room to keep a mother plant even if I wanted to. But I guess I could replace How well it clones, with How well it reverses lol

Get a cfl and even a wee box or cuboard dont need anything fancy you keep em small too you dont need a tent to keep a few small mums its only if you gonna expand your mother collection you would need to go that route i personally like going from seed everytime as varieties the spice of life and thats how i roll but im just saying theres a will theres a way bud if you change your mind in the future

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