Rubbermaid stealth grow box. 150w mh, help with ballast

budfever

Active Member
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND, DONT DO THAT!!!!!
ALL YOU WILL GET IS A HOUSE FIRE!!!!!

A MH throws off a shit load of heat even a small 150w one.
Its not a good idea to put anything that hot in a plastic box it WILL catch it on fire.
 

grorite

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yup very bad idea!!! anyway you will need a ballast for that. stick with cfl if doing a Rubbermaid.
 

mmmmbrownies

Active Member
i'm thinking any MH in an enclosed area even if it wasn't plastic may catch on fire
might want to consider an led light a ufo maybe they run a lot cooler and last forever :)
just do some research
 
Thank you I though about that after I posted this. Would it be alright to use that bulb in a 3/4" plywood grow box that is 4'wideX 2' deepX 3' high. Would I need more fans than just 2 4" computer fans, 1 intake and 1 outtake?
 

homegrwn

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23 watt cfl puts off 100 watts worth or usable lumens . So in theory 6 of them will put off 600 watts or 84k lumens approximately. The difference no heat no open ballast and a pack are 21 dollars...... You can add spectrums from the 2000 which is great for hearty veg to the 6500k which is power flower. Keep them both running for flowering to dense up the nugglets. see sig below. If your using a rugged heavy duty rubberware you can do up to a 250 hps ive done it but its not easy to make holes for exhaust.
 
Grorite am I correct in saying for veg you want 6500 blue in color and flower you want 2700 warm in color? I've started plants with cfl's to get started before I put them outdoors. I've never did a whole grow using them, but the color spectrum I mentioned is what I've read on hear.
 

bass1014

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you will need a ballast to light any mh or hps bulb. if using any hps or mh the socket needs to be mounted to metal backing, ventilation is a must. small computer fans are probably not going to be enough to pull the heat out of the box.. get a inline fan and run 4''duct to the end of the bulb to pull the heat off the bulb. not to close cause you will melt the duct.. please use judgement when building any type of grow box ,always keep in mind the heat from one 150 hps or mh can reach surface temps of 175 degrees plus ..............hot shit next to anything ='s :fire:
 

ThorGanjason

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Hey man, ballast kits are do-able, but it definitely has to be connected to metal. If you have a Lowes near you, they have all kinds of steel boxes and stuff for ventilation/HVAC systems in houses, in fact I got one in the same aisle as the 4" duct (same stuff you use for the back of a dryer).

The box in that aisle is just clipped on one side, so it opens up just like a hood. The metal isn't super reflective but it'll give you a metal halide light for a month or so until you can get a hood.
 

ThorGanjason

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That's what mine looks like. I just have a couple 3 week old plants and a few seedlings under there so there's enough coming right off the bulb to do fine until I can get a better one.
 
I'm no electrician but whats the screwed into or wired to? I dont wanna fire hazard (not saying that your is) i like to save money but with this I may just wait to buy the right setup. But I'd like to know more about how you made your if you dont mind, I have family members that are electricians
 

ThorGanjason

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Honestly, for the amount that I paid, I only saved probably $30 on the bulb and ballast, plus I guess about $40 on a hood. But you can get some nice ballast/bulb/hood combos out there if you don't mind looking Around for the deals and waiting on shipping. But I had plenty of cash on me and was wanting something asap so I basically bought just the bulb and the ballast from a lighting/electric supply store. It was like 60 for the ballast and 18 for the bulb, plus $10 for the socket (to screw the bulb into), and then a couple bucks for the pig tail so that you can plug it into a wall.

The ballast comes with a capacitor and comes without any kind of fixture. Its honestly a great cheap way to get a light setup for a vertical grow, which is what I plan on doing with it soon hopefully. But if you are going to make a hood with it, I'm not gonna lie you're going to have to get creative. I took an L-shaped bar with slots all through out it, you can see it in the first picture. The ceramic socket has two screw holes in the back so I drilled some holes through the hood (it has like flanged sides that gold inwards, not the greatest for bouncing light back down but it holds the bar) and set the bar on the flange and put a crews through the holes to hold it in.

But yeah, I got lucky and found a usable piece for a hood but you can really easily make something dangerous this way. I've got shit loads of mcgyver experience and have wired houses and stuff so as far as electric work this isn't expert level shit by any means.

But that light burns hot and there is definitely potential for hazard. If buying one is in your budget and you look in the right places you can get one for almost cheap and a lot less hassle and danger.
 
Ya I'm going to save and get one that takes both mh/hps bulbs. I think for my space 400w is good, I can't believe how much the tents cost. I found some that come with everything bulbs ballast hood and tent, so I think thats the route I'm going to take. GL with your grows
 
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grorite

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could buy that but that booster fan wont cut it for ventilation gonna need to get a real inline fan so add about another 100. also gonna want some sort of air cooled hood depending on the temps where you are. also don't think I saw anything about a carbon filter. you could get a better setup than that just gotta shop around.
 

budfever

Active Member
Their tents are pretty nice, got a 4'x4' for a patent im helping out.
But as Gorite said that fan wont cut it for a extraction fan.
Would probably work ok for a intake fan tho.
Check out their fan carbon filter combos, another thing they sell I think NO grow room should be without is a automatic fire extinguisher.
They are like $40 for a small one, its a small price to pay to know your house isnt going to burn down.
 

ThorGanjason

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I thought htg had complete setups that came with inline fan and filter combos? I'm definitely wanting to get a tent, if the apt I was staying at was mine then I would just retrofit the closet but the roommate doesn't want big ventilation holes in the wall. Htg has those really nice agromax tents or whatever they're called.
 

budfever

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I thought htg had complete setups that came with inline fan and filter combos? I'm definitely wanting to get a tent, if the apt I was staying at was mine then I would just retrofit the closet but the roommate doesn't want big ventilation holes in the wall. Htg has those really nice agromax tents or whatever they're called.
I can highly recommend the tents they sell.
Easy setup took all of 30mins to setup the first time out of the box.
The second time took about 10-15min.
The zippers can be a bitch till you get them broke in but after a few weeks they are much easier to use.
A trick with them is if they are hard to zip or unzip pull the zipper towards you while moving the zipper.
Doing that makes it much easier to open and close till they are broke in.

Link to fan filter combos. http://www.htgsupply.com/Category-Fan-&-Filter-Combos.asp
 
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