Run Off pH Is Ridiculous...

TrichomeTrent said:

Just because you copy paste some math isnt going to change anyone opinion. we run off science to at least attempt to achieve optimal yield and potency from specific genetics. if you are not using everything that is available to you, that is your loss. of course reading the plants themselves will always be helpful, but the plant isnt going to tell me my current nutes werent mixed properly and will cause nute lock. i can understand such poor advice for someone that just 'wants to grow some pot dude', but for a legitimate medical patient trying to grow the best medicine possible for themselves this is just plain awful advice. Almost as bad as telling someone to run 3-3-3 nute ratio right up until harvest day (see how ridiculous this sounds?).

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Being medical and all as you are. I would be spending more time breeding CBN and CBD into my garden. Not chasing the optimal enviroment/pH/temps ect.....

Nubby Tubbs said:

if a plant absorbs 50 units of a nutrient at pH 6.2, surely it can absorb 5 units at pH 8.5. so just pack the units with the target nutrient, and BOOM! pH doesnt matter.

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That's my point it can't absorb all the nutes it needs at a ph of 8.5, and don't call me Shirley.

Just dont get caught up in all the BS and grow, let things drift a bit, grow a pair, take a chance. Nice buds will follow...seems Shirley gets it too..

watchhowIdoit said:

Being medical and all as you are. I would be spending more time breeding CBN and CBD into my garden. Not chasing the optimal enviroment/pH/temps ect.....

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Can't really breed CBN since that's what THC degrades into. Considering they both have the same medicinal properties with THC being much stronger I think i'll stick with THC CBD is amazing however and I sincerely thank the folks who bred strains like cannatonic and harlequin. However being severly ill doesn't automatically mean CBD will be better for you than THC. All depends on the condition(s)

Ok I stated earlier you need to know what your working with. First step is to contact your local Health Dept. or County Extention office and get a water test. Alot of the time its a free service, or at least a pretty minimal cost. Find out whats in what comes from the tap. For those who love to read pH meters do this fun little experiment. In a clean glass draw some of you tap water and test the pH and record. Now set that same glass of water aside for 24 hrs and retest pH and record and compare to the earlier reading. R/O water is among other things very wasteful. For every gallon of R/O that comes from the tap 2 or more gallons of water are rejected and sent down the drain, completely wasted. Believe it or not folks oil is not our most precious resource, fresh water is............

Water is in a closed system though. Sure we may personally waste it but its impossible for water to actually leave the system, so in the grand scheme of things not a drop is ever really wasted as it will be back Would just like to add im not advocating personal waste at all, and i also didnt know r/o sent so much back down the drain... seems highly inefficient now.

TrichomeTrent said:

Water is in a closed system though. Sure we may personally waste it but its impossible for water to actually leave the system, so in the grand scheme of things not a drop is ever really wasted as it will be back Would just like to add im not advocating personal waste at all, and i also didnt know r/o sent so much back down the drain... seems highly inefficient now.

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We finally agree on something, cool. And I am sincerly interested in what you consider or your definition of a 'closed system' is? And remember, I said 'fresh' water. And my definition of fresh water is potable, nothing more, nothing less.....

I've grown outside for years using very alkaline water. NEVER pH'd my water.with no pH problems,good strong harvests. It's all in the soil mix and what buffering agents you use.. IMHO

I also agree on how important our water supply is. you don't know what you got 'till its gone...............
People have been using pesticides and poison to kill insects for 70 years, now everybody is standing around, scratching their heads wondering where all the bees are going.

TrichomeTrent said:

Water is in a closed system though. Sure we may personally waste it but its impossible for water to actually leave the system, so in the grand scheme of things not a drop is ever really wasted as it will be back Would just like to add im not advocating personal waste at all, and i also didnt know r/o sent so much back down the drain... seems highly inefficient now.

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Actually this is untrue. with global warming water is evaporating more and is actually a green house gas. we do have a limited amount of fresh water in the world and it is running out just as fast as oil. and the fact we are now growing gmo's that require a high amount of irrigation we are running out of it faster and faster.

I dont buy global warming there are factors at play but al gores global warming shit for the tree huggers

I don't believe in global warming either! humans haven't been keeping records long enough to know! Natural earth cycles maybe? Ice-hot? OHHH no it is 2 deg hotter outside than last year. well in 1913 it was over 130 deg here and only 101 today? where is the warming?

Back to the first post. I think it is important to find out where your ph sits at the start but after that there is no need to care.



I've never checked the ph of this blueberry mother. She has given me over 150 clones in her 8 months of vegging.



And also never checked the ph of my sour d. this is at 6 weeks. Just think of them in 4 more weeks! going to be monsters!

I checked my ph level when I started growing but once you get going you should be able to just know if you are screwing things up.

Robert Paulson said:

Actually this is untrue. with global warming water is evaporating more and is actually a green house gas. we do have a limited amount of fresh water in the world and it is running out just as fast as oil. and the fact we are now growing gmo's that require a high amount of irrigation we are running out of it faster and faster.

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Proof of this? PLEASE... Sure water turns into a "GHG" but it collects and falls back down. Water is the least of your worries with green house gasses!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_list_of_greenhouse_gases

Read the section "Gases relevant to radiative forcing and ozone depletion"

Do you think the air is supposed to be dry? Looking at past weather reports and such the Relative Humidity Hasn't been changing much either!

And just in case we run out of "fresh" water, I'm Glad we have the tech. to filter ocean water.

this paulson character is a troll. look how he responds to EVERYTHING. fuck robert paulson.

The planet naturally goes through warming trends and cooling trends. And our burning of fossil fuels certainly did not trigger it, but does add to its effect. And anyone who thinks fresh water is not more precious than oil is just foolish. Many take for granted he fact they can go to the faucet and get a glass of water. And as world population goes thats an exception. Not a rule.......

water is more precious than oil, we need the water to live, but there is way more water than oil. We can always treat the ocean water by way of R/O or there is other ways!
http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/16977/
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVSA_enUS431US431&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=carbon+nanotube+membrane+dialysis

The movie "Flow " is pretty interesting if anyone is actually interested. I would suggest some books but I think its obvious how much everyone reads.

NoGutsGrower said:

water is more precious than oil, we need the water to live, but there is way more water than oil. We can always treat the ocean water by way of R/O or there is other ways!
http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/16977/
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AVSA_enUS431US431&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=carbon+nanotube+membrane+dialysis

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Desalination requires energy to carry out. Transporting the fresh water inland requires energy. Sure we can make fresh water but whats it going to cost per gallon? Its just not as simple as you think it is..
The worldwide need for freshwater

The scarcity of fresh water resources and the need for additional water supplies is already critical in many arid regions of the world and will be increasingly important in the future. It is very likely that the water issue will be considered, like fossil energy resources, to be one of the determining factors of world stability. Many arid areas simply do not have fresh water resources in the form of surface water such as rivers, lakes, etc. and have only limited underground water resources that are becoming more brackish as abstraction of water from the aquifers continues. The world-wide availability of renewable energies and the availability of mature technologies in this field make it possible to consider the coupling of desalination plants with renewable energy production processes in order to ensure the production of water in a sustainable and environmentally friendly scheme for the regions concerned. Solar desalination is used by nature to produce rain which is the main source of fresh water on earth. All available man-made distillation systems are a duplication on a small scale of this natural process. Recently, considerable attention has been given to the use of renewable energy as sources for desalination, especially in remote areas and islands, because of the high costs of fossil fuels, difficulties in obtaining it, attempts to conserve fossil fuels, interest in reducing air pollution, and the lack of electrical power in remote areas.

And we still do not fully understand or know the results of 'fracturing' shale to release natural gas deposits. Most experts do agree there will be consequences......

yes it takes energy but science is also working on way to reduce what it takes!
http://www.technologyreview.com/Nanotech/16977/
kinda like large scale blood dialysis. Cost and size of equipment are going down! if it came to the point where the whole country was filtering water the cost would be spread across all taxpayers. I'm not saying its an ideal situation, I just don't think it will get there any time soon!

"The scarcity of fresh water resources and the need for additional water supplies is already critical in many arid regions of the world" Direct quote from my previous post. But what does the USGS know anyways.(that was sarcasm so you all know) How right you are Robert. Not many readers around here........

hellraizer30 said:

I dont buy global warming there are factors at play but al gores global warming shit for the tree huggers

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Back in the '60's, we were told we were on the verge of another Ice age.

Go figure!

Al Gore is SO full of shit! Squawking about emissions while flying from place to place in his own jet. Eco-Nazi.

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