Russian Anti-Terror Troops Arrive in Syria

echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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gagekko said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russian-anti-terror-troops-arrive-syria/story?id=15954363#.UcjovT6Y62A

Hopefully Russia is for real and will get to the bottom of who is really causing all the trouble in Syria.

Are you listening MOSSAD, Al Qaeda, US Special Forces, SAS?

Like I say, I hope Putin is for real but I wont be holding my breath on it.
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As far as capability and TTP, the US is head and shoulders above Russia... But the small amount of people you have sent are engaging in FID, not offensive operations. The trouble in Syria is due to a bunch of whacko jihadist sunnis, trying to knock off the alawite-shia minority in power and install Saudi backed fundamental regime who will implement strict sharia.
 
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gagekko

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echelon1k1 said:
As far as capability and TTP, the US is head and shoulders above Russia... But the small amount of people you have sent are engaging in FID, not offensive operations. The trouble in Syria is due to a bunch of whacko jihadist sunnis, trying to knock off the alawite-shia minority in power and install Saudi backed fundamental regime who will implement strict sharia.
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Sorry, I don't buy the jihad mumbo jumbo... MOSSAD, CIA, Black-Ops, are stirring the pot in Syria. Just like in Libya, when government troops start to rally, the US and "NATO" forces will step in under the false pretense of WMDs or civil liberties of the Syrian peoples. It's been done before, it'll happen again.

As far as Russia goes, the United States can't control Afghanistan in a war, they don't stand a chance against Russia.
 
echelon1k1

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gagekko said:
Sorry, I don't buy the jihad mumbo jumbo... MOSSAD, CIA, Black-Ops, are stirring the pot in Syria. Just like in Libya, when government troops start to rally, the US and "NATO" forces will step in under the false pretense of WMDs or civil liberties of the Syrian peoples. It's been done before, it'll happen again.

As far as Russia goes, the United States can't control Afghanistan in a war, they don't stand a chance against Russia.
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That's because you don't understand it.. If you can't grasp the jihadi angle then there's a huge part of your picture missing, i'm not saying external influences don't play a factor, but the religious angle is a large piece of the pie. As far as Afghanistan, I don't think we originally had the intention (upper management at least) of a win, otherwise we'd be in Pakistan, officially.
 
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gagekko

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echelon1k1 said:
That's because you don't understand it.. If you can't grasp the jihadi angle then there's a huge part of your picture missing, i'm not saying external influences don't play a factor, but the religious angle is a large piece of the pie. As far as Afghanistan, I don't think we originally had the intention (upper management at least) of a win, otherwise we'd be in Pakistan, officially.
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I can grasp it - I just don't buy it.

We have all sorts of Muslims in the USA - where's the jihad? I'm not going into detail but if they hate us so much and wish us death and destruction over "jihad" they'd be doing something about it instead of just buying gas stations, running cabs, and owning quickie marts. But they get to the USA and forget all about jihad and concentrate on making money - just saying.
 
SHOTGUN420

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gagekko said:
I can grasp it - I just don't buy it.

We have all sorts of Muslims in the USA - where's the jihad? I'm not going into detail but if they hate us so much and wish us death and destruction over "jihad" they'd be doing something about it instead of just buying gas stations, running cabs, and owning quickie marts. But they get to the USA and forget all about jihad and concentrate on making money - just saying.
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If they wanted to muslims could try to jihad but they know in their hearts they would be crushed within hours if not minutes. Right now its not really the extreme jihad on US soil Americans need to worry about. They shouldn't be in the middle east but instead fighting the reconqusta at their door step. The government is trying their asses off to help sell Americans out as we speak in the name of the almighty dollar and the almighty vote. I predict in the future Americans will start voting with bullets its just a matter of when.

As far as Syria America needs to start the fuck out. Let someone else deal with it for once.
 
echelon1k1

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gagekko said:
I can grasp it - I just don't buy it.

We have all sorts of Muslims in the USA - where's the jihad? I'm not going into detail but if they hate us so much and wish us death and destruction over "jihad" they'd be doing something about it instead of just buying gas stations, running cabs, and owning quickie marts. But they get to the USA and forget all about jihad and concentrate on making money - just saying.
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The jihadists are a small minority - around 20million worldwide. They in no way represent moderate islam. To be honest the crazies are actually in violation of the Quran, not to mention they've killed more Muslims than they have Jews and Crusaders...
 
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gagekko

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echelon1k1 said:
The jihadists are a small minority - around 20million worldwide. They in no way represent moderate islam. To be honest the crazies are actually in violation of the Quran, not to mention they've killed more Muslims than they have Jews and Crusaders...
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Name a jihad group then. Because Al Qaeda ain't one... Please also explain why the USA and UK provide these Jihadists with weapons to conduct their jihad. I'm pretty sure nobody in either country is trying to expedite the sharia... So why the backing?
 
echelon1k1

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gagekko said:
Name a jihad group then. Because Al Qaeda ain't one... Please also explain why the USA and UK provide these Jihadists with weapons to conduct their jihad. I'm pretty sure nobody in either country is trying to expedite the sharia... So why the backing?
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Well, AQ is a jihadist group, in Syria you also have Jabhat al Nusra Front, Free Syria Army, Mujahideen-e Khalq - the media calls these guys "rebels" or "freedom fighters" but it could not be further from the truth. These groups are supported by the US, UK, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Pakistan, Israel and Turkey (note the previous countries also done the same in the '80s)

Now the US two biggest allies in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis and Israelis have been in bed together for a very long time, contrary to the public displays they put on.

Since we invaded Iraq the second time, we turned Iraq into a Shi'ite republic, aligning it with Iran. Now the Saudis (sunnis) are encircled by the Shi'ite and the west feels if they can defeat Al-Assad (alawite-shia), Tehran (shia) will fall soon after. The Saudis (who practice wahhabism - offshoot of sunni islam) want control of the ME and can only achieve that after the fall of Iran.
 
Doer

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echelon1k1 said:
As far as capability and TTP, the US is head and shoulders above Russia... But the small amount of people you have sent are engaging in FID, not offensive operations. The trouble in Syria is due to a bunch of whacko jihadist sunnis, trying to knock off the alawite-shia minority in power and install Saudi backed fundamental regime who will implement strict sharia.
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Well, at one level. Yet, Bathists are Sunni

The Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (Arabic: حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي‎ Ḥizb Al-Ba‘ath Al-‘Arabī Al-Ishtirākī) was a political party founded in Syria by Michel Aflaq, Salah al-Din al-Bitar and associates of Zaki al-Arsuzi. The party espoused Ba'athism (from البعث Al-Ba'ath or Ba'ath meaning "renaissance" or "resurrection"), which is an ideology mixing Arab nationalist, pan-Arabism, Arab socialist and anti-imperialist interests. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. Its motto, "Unity, Liberty, Socialism", refers to Arab unity, and freedom from non-Arab control and interference.

It is National Socialism...spelled NAZI, in German.

The conflict had drawn in other ethnic and religious minorities, including Armenians, Christians, Druze, Palestinians, Kurds and Turkmens.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP]

Alawite-shia,, the Alawites represent 12% of the Syrian population.

So, I really don't understand your assessment completely, I guess.
 
echelon1k1

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Doer said:
Well, at one level. Yet, Bathists are Sunni

The Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (Arabic: حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي‎ Ḥizb Al-Ba‘ath Al-‘Arabī Al-Ishtirākī) was a political party founded in Syria by Michel Aflaq, Salah al-Din al-Bitar and associates of Zaki al-Arsuzi. The party espoused Ba'athism (from البعث Al-Ba'ath or Ba'ath meaning "renaissance" or "resurrection"), which is an ideology mixing Arab nationalist, pan-Arabism, Arab socialist and anti-imperialist interests. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. Its motto, "Unity, Liberty, Socialism", refers to Arab unity, and freedom from non-Arab control and interference.

It is National Socialism...spelled NAZI, in German.

The conflict had drawn in other ethnic and religious minorities, including Armenians, Christians, Druze, Palestinians, Kurds and Turkmens.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP]

Alawite-shia,, the Alawites represent 12% of the Syrian population.

So, I really don't understand your assessment completely, I guess.
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Basically in Syria any position of power or importance is held by an alawite. Everything in the political, military and intelligence establishments is run by alawites and that’s how they control Syria. Alawites also make up the ruling elite/sect, exclusively.

If you then look the Syrian population >65% sunni muslim, who are sympathetic to the Saudis, they want the alawites gone, hatred between the two groups runs deep - I would look at it more like the alawites are fighting to survive, not just stay in power...

Saudi Arabia see the fall of the Alawites as essential to countering Irans influence in the region, it would also give them increased access in Lebanon and stop the Shia encirclement of the House of Saud. The US see the the fall of the Syrian-Alawites as a blow to iran and a potential for further destabilisation.

I think the US’ position in the ME is to incite sectarian violence and basically let the two sides fight it out and deal with whoever is left. This is also of great benefit to the Israelis as basically we’ve been fighting a war for them; they haven’t contributed a single soldier or asset to the GWOT.

The Ba’athist angle is just a political one. They came to power both in the sixties but underneath it all the Syrian Ba’athists were always alawites first.




Doer said:
So, what is worse? Wahabi or Twelver Shia?

BTW, Saudi is 12% Shia.
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Wahhabists are by far the worst out of them and they’ve been the US’ long standing ally in the region going back to the days when they kicked out the British, ARAMCO era...

They issue with the wahhabists and fundamental sunnis is they see the world ONLY from a takfiri viewpoint. Robert Baer sums it up best;

"takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Koran."

With the above in mind that’s how the fundamentalists and Wahhabists see the world. The thing with Sunni-Takfiris is they consider Alawites to be worse than the Jews and Christians. It’s sunni extremists that attack us and the Saudi Wahhabists are some of the biggest sponsors of terror... I think engaging Iran to help counter this is in everyone’s best interest.

So you can understand why sunni fundamentalism & wahhabism is far more dangerous than any other branch of Islam. These are the folks that chant "hitler on earth, allah in heaven" these are the blokes that were scattered to the winds after WW2 and set up bases and madrassas in places like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, especially after sadat.
 
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