Satellite data proves Earth has not been warming the past 18 years - it's stable

Red1966

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Meanwhile, in the real world..

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus



"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities"

"The scientific community has reached a strong consensus that global temperatures are rising rapidly as a direct result of billions of tons of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions from human-made sources."

http://www.opr.ca.gov/s_scientificconsensus.php

"We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article





"The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report summarized:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.

Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.

Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale. Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative. Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming.

The range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time.

The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources).

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position. Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions."

"Since 2001, 34 national science academies, three regional academies, and both the international InterAcademy Council and International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences have made formal declarations confirming human induced global warming and urging nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. The 34 national science academy statements include 33 who have signed joint science academy statements and one individual declaration by the Polish Academy of Sciences in 2007."

"2007 In preparation for the 33rd G8 summit, the Network of African Science Academies submitted a joint “statement on sustainability, energy efficiency, and climate change” :

A consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change. The IPCC should be congratulated for the contribution it has made to public understanding of the nexus that exists between energy, climate and sustainability."

"As of 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement,[11] no scientific body of national or international standing rejected the findings of human-induced effects on climate change."

"Establishing the mainstream scientific assessment, climate scientists agree that the global average surface temperature has risen over the last century. The scientific consensus and scientific opinion on climate change were summarized in the 2001 Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The main conclusions on global warming were as follows:

-The global average surface temperature has risen 0.6 ± 0.2 °C since the late 19th century, and 0.17 °C per decade in the last 30 years.

-"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities", in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane.

-If greenhouse gas emissions continue the warming will also continue, with temperatures projected to increase by 1.4 °C to 5.8 °C between 1990 and 2100. Accompanying this temperature increase will be increases in some types of extreme weather and a projected sea level rise. The balance of impacts of global warming become significantly negative at larger values of warming."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

"Peter Christoff, writing an opinion piece in The Age in 2007, said that climate change denial differs from skepticism, which is essential for good science. "Almost two decades after the issue became one of global concern, the 'big' debate over climate change is over. There are now no credible scientific skeptics challenging the underlying scientific theory, or the broad projections, of climate change." The relationship between industry-funded denial and public climate change skepticism has been compared to earlier efforts by the tobacco industry to undermine scientific evidence on the dangers of secondhand smoke, and linked as a direct continuation of these earlier financial relationships"

"Efforts to downplay the significance of climate change resemble the determined efforts of tobacco lobbyists, in the face of scientific evidence linking tobacco to lung cancer, to prevent or delay the introduction of regulation. Lobbyists attempted to discredit the scientific research by creating doubt and manipulating debate. They worked to discredit the scientists involved, to dispute their findings, and to create and maintain an apparent controversy by promoting claims that contradicted scientific research. ""Doubt is our product," boasted a now infamous 1969 industry memo. Doubt would shield the tobacco industry from litigation and regulation for decades to come." In 2006, George Monbiot wrote in The Guardian about similarities between the methods of groups funded by Exxon, and those of the tobacco giant Philip Morris, including direct attacks on peer-reviewed science, and attempts to create public controversy and doubt."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
The very first statement, '"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities" is a lie. Why bother to read the rest of it?
 

Padawanbater2

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using OTHER PEOPLE'S arguments to show how wrong i am??
Conservapedia says:

Environmentalists and their political allies have presented a one-sided, anti-scientific account of global warming. They have ignored natural warming cycles and suppressed evidence which contradicts their theories. They have viciously attacked the credibility of any scientist daring to contradict them, creating a climate of fear where only a tiny handful of scientists dare speak out.
You say:

7 : opinions from ACTUAL SCIENTISTS who disagree, or have an alternate theory that fits the data at least as well are NOT PRESENT.
Conservapedia says:

The contrary views of the many warming skeptics have been largely ignored and their motives denigrated.
You say:

8 : scientific inquiry is not handled in the mocking, hateful ad hominem drenched Bucky Style
Conservapedia says:

Journalists in the West, dominated by liberal viewpoints, have painted a misleading picture of the science. They have publicized liberal slanders against scientists who dare to speak up against the fake "consensus"
You say:

the IPCC is a POLITICAL panel, which has an agenda, and blatantly fakes the data to support their agenda
That was one page of your bullshit from the very beginning...

If you ask me, I'd say those are pretty similar viewpoints..

since i have never used conservapedia to source anything, not even to demonstrate how retarded conservapedia is, how can you claim i am somehow vulnerable to your refutation of their mad claims?
If conservapedia is retarded, and it's saying the same thing you're saying... what does that make you?
 

NLXSK1

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The very first statement, '"Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities" is a lie. Why bother to read the rest of it?
Why dont the climate change believers ever talk about the real source of global warming? You know.. the Sun??? Because right now it appears to be starting a 200+ year cycle that is going to cause cooling. And it is already happening and demonstrable in pacific ocean temperatures.
 

Dr Kynes

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The total volcanic output of co2 is 10% of what man puts out.

We can measures the difference, volcanic co2 is heavier.
actually, nobody is sure exactly how much CO2 geologic processes (not limited to volcanoes) emit

nobody is even exactly sure how many geologic vents that spew CO2, sulphur dioxide, and all manner of crazy shit into the ocean may be on the sea floor

nobody knows how much CO2 is really released by weathering of carboniferous rocks, and that doesnt even begin to account for biological sources like bacterial emissions, rotting vegetation, or animal respiration and flatus
 

Padawanbater2

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actually, nobody is sure exactly how much CO2 geologic processes (not limited to volcanoes) emit
Yes they are, you deny it;

"We have confidence that the CO2 measurements made at the Mauna Loa Observatory reflect truth about our global atmosphere. The main reasons for that confidence are:

-The Observatory near the summit of Mauna Loa, at an altitude of 3400 m, is well situated to measure air masses that are representative of very large areas.

-All of the measurements are rigorously and very frequently calibrated.

-Ongoing comparisons of independent measurements at the same site allow an estimate of the accuracy, which is generally better than 0.2 ppm."

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/about/co2_measurements.html
 

Red1966

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Nope, because they don't exist

No academic or scholarly papers exist inside the scientific community that seriously deny the anthropogenic factor of climate change

Yet these fanatical deniers will argue they do till the end of the Earth (but won't produce one, lol!). But that 97% number is bullshit I guess...
'But that 97% number is bullshit I guess..." But you'll keep repeating it.
 

NLXSK1

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Yes they are, you deny it;

"We have confidence that the CO2 measurements made at the Mauna Loa Observatory reflect truth about our global atmosphere. The main reasons for that confidence are:

-The Observatory near the summit of Mauna Loa, at an altitude of 3400 m, is well situated to measure air masses that are representative of very large areas.

-All of the measurements are rigorously and very frequently calibrated.

-Ongoing comparisons of independent measurements at the same site allow an estimate of the accuracy, which is generally better than 0.2 ppm."

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/about/co2_measurements.html

Confidence?? Confidence?? Suddenly confidence is certifiable fact??

Damn boy, you will bite onto anything you believe in no matter how shitty it tastes....
 

Padawanbater2

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Why dont the climate change believers ever talk about the real source of global warming? You know.. the Sun??? Because right now it appears to be starting a 200+ year cycle that is going to cause cooling. And it is already happening and demonstrable in pacific ocean temperatures.
You are a dumbass. The Sun has been extensively measured for decades, the solar activity has remained constant the entire time while global temperatures have increased.

Pretty much seals the deal on your solar irradiance theory..


 

Dr Kynes

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Conservapedia says:



You say:



Conservapedia says:



You say:



Conservapedia says:



You say:



That was one page of your bullshit from the very beginning...

If you ask me, I'd say those are pretty similar viewpoints..



If conservapedia is retarded, and it's saying the same thing you're saying... what does that make you?
funny how all those "quotes' link back to a post that doesnt make any of those assertions...

i guess you just cant help yourself, even when the quote is REAL you just cant bring yourself to source the ACTUAL quote, but instead must misdirect.

i admit that yes, every one of those assertions was made by me, but they were in CONTEXT, context you destroyed, and (suspiciously) prevented the reader from finding easily through the linking of those "quotes" to an unrelated post

i dunno why you felt the need to link those "quotes" to an entirely different post only tangentially related to your assertions, perhaps it is a deep seated need to LIE because so many of your previous claims have been so readily demolished (lulz wikipedia)

either way, here is the context for those "quotes" you so maliciously ripped from their context and then misattributed

on the subject of "Skeptical Science" and why it is not a credible source:
well just for starters:
1 : that blog is just an outlet for the opinions of global warming touts, it's author has no scientific accreditation and has no "climatologist" credibility
2 : their "citations" almost invariably go to another page of "Skeptical Science" instead of an outside source
3 : it's a motherfucking BLOG
4 : if the critics are impeached by their ideological affiliation, why are the touts immune to the same impeachment?
5 : if "Big _____________" financial backing contaminates real skeptical inquiry, then why are the bankrollers of the touts so virtuous?
6 : the entire blog is so rife with inaccuracies, simplifications and dunderheaded appeals to authority it is useless as a source
7 : opinions from ACTUAL SCIENTISTS who disagree, or have an alternate theory that fits the data at least as well are NOT PRESENT.
8 : scientific inquiry is not handled in the mocking, hateful ad hominem drenched Bucky Style
9 : "Skeptical Science" is anything but skeptical or scientific

since you seem incapable of understanding anything more complex than a bumper sticker slogan, heres a summation for ya

If The Global Warming Evidence Is So Good, Why All The Lies? ~me
 

Red1966

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I keep telling you I'm in same camp as you. Your hysterical exaggeration IS a problem. It's not needed and fuels deniers by proving their claims about hysteria coming from our side.

Are you going to claim that we are sustaining 100's of thousands of scientists AND there is no financial incentive? Remove your emotions, do the math of what you are saying and stick with the pretty damn convincing data that's out there.
AGW is a religion to him. Facts don't matter.
 

Harrekin

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Physics seems to be very uncertain. String theory, wave theory, particle theory, banana theory.
As much as I hate to admit it, what Padawan said is correct, he just posed the question wrong to me originally.

I was lolling at the fact he posted what is essentially an image file screenshotted instead of a reference to a scholarly article.

And for the record, physics is always sure of what they're sure of, they use quantative data and interpret it using confirmed, repeatable, physical laws.
 

schuylaar

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Why dont the climate change believers ever talk about the real source of global warming? You know.. the Sun??? Because right now it appears to be starting a 200+ year cycle that is going to cause cooling. And it is already happening and demonstrable in pacific ocean temperatures.
that's interesting, do you have a link?
 

Red1966

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Yes they are, you deny it;

"We have confidence that the CO2 measurements made at the Mauna Loa Observatory reflect truth about our global atmosphere. The main reasons for that confidence are:

-The Observatory near the summit of Mauna Loa, at an altitude of 3400 m, is well situated to measure air masses that are representative of very large areas.

-All of the measurements are rigorously and very frequently calibrated.

-Ongoing comparisons of independent measurements at the same site allow an estimate of the accuracy, which is generally better than 0.2 ppm."

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/about/co2_measurements.html
You claim data from ONE volcano gives an accurate estimation for the entire world? You don't understand how science works.
 

Harrekin

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Yes they are, you deny it;

"We have confidence that the CO2 measurements made at the Mauna Loa Observatory reflect truth about our global atmosphere. The main reasons for that confidence are:

-The Observatory near the summit of Mauna Loa, at an altitude of 3400 m, is well situated to measure air masses that are representative of very large areas.

-All of the measurements are rigorously and very frequently calibrated.

-Ongoing comparisons of independent measurements at the same site allow an estimate of the accuracy, which is generally better than 0.2 ppm."

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/about/co2_measurements.html
And you dont at all see a problem with using inferential statistics on a data set that measures CO2 levels and applies them to the world in general...on top of a volcano?

Personally, and it might just be me, but I wouldve assumed measuring CO2 levels above a volcano would result in moar than a few outliers...
 
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