Schuylaar's Sesh - SCOTUS Upholds Public Prayer..

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schuylaar

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i think that is wrong because we should not have to be subject to someone else's beliefs (religious) regardless of whether or not our founding fathers believed in such. I do understand they would open public meetings with prayer but that ship has long sailed..why not something then from the quran or torah?

prayer should be like smoking, like anything else that others deem offensive to them..i find it very offensive to have to listen/subject to that shit.

freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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schuylaar said:
i think that is wrong because we should not have to be subject to someone else's beliefs (religious) regardless of whether or not our founding fathers believed in such. I do understand they would open public meetings with prayer but that ship has long sailed..why not something then from the quran or torah?

prayer should be like smoking, like anything else that others deem offensive to them..i find it very offensive to have to listen/subject to that shit.

freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
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The founding fathers were deists, because they didn't know any better. It wasn't any religion, per se. Today they'd probably be atheists.

If the Constitution meant freedom from, it would've stated such. Those "religious" founding fathers were pretty smart.
 
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schuylaar

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Canna Sylvan said:
The founding fathers were deists, because they didn't know any better. It wasn't any religion, per se. Today they'd probably be atheists.

If the Constitution meant freedom from, it would've stated such. Those "religious" founding fathers were pretty smart.
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well in saying "freedom from" ie; freedom to choose which religion? you certainly can "opt out"..or go with something closer to what i do believe which would be more buddhist..karma, dharma..not necessarily dieties.

actually, i think it would be more beneficial and real for others to know their actions will follow them rather then having them support a myth.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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schuylaar said:
well in saying "freedom from" ie; freedom to choose which religion? you certainly can "opt out"..or go with something closer to what i do believe which would be more buddhist..karma, dharma..not necessarily dieties.

actually, i think it would be more beneficial and real for others to know their actions will follow them rather then having them support a myth.
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These "myths" are mighty coincidental they're all the same. But what's God? Is something from Star Trek's Q a God?
 
Wavels

Wavels

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In the main, religion has had a beneficial influence on western civilization.
The ten commandments are not a bad blueprint from which to build a society.
I still disagree with this SCOTUS decision, because religion should be a private matter...IMHO.
 
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BigNBushy

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schuylaar said:
freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
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No it doesn't.

Are you saying that you get offended when you're out to dinner, and a family at the table next to you holds hands and prays before eating?

That is about the most intolerant thing I've heard of.

No one is saying you have to stop eating, be quite, and listen in.

freedom of religion means I can pray when and where I want.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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BigNBushy said:
No it doesn't.

Are you saying that you get offended when you're out to dinner, and a family at the table next to you holds hands and prays before eating?

That is about the most intolerant thing I've heard of.

No one is saying you have to stop eating, be quite, and listen in.

freedom of religion means I can pray when and where I want.
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To be completely honest?

I'd genuinely look down on a family as idiots clinging to delusional ideals if they prayed in front of me.

Anyone who GENUINELY believes any of the shit in the Bible, and I don't mean just say they believe it, I mean people who genuinely KNOW that shit happened should be shipped off to a mental facility.

Let me ask you, if I told you God told me to murder 27 people, would you believe me?

Also, if so much miraculous shit happened in the Bible, why does it not happen anymore?

The "exists outside time" God got bored of us in less than 2000 years?
 
tightpockt

tightpockt

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BigNBushy said:
No it doesn't.

Are you saying that you get offended when you're out to dinner, and a family at the table next to you holds hands and prays before eating?

That is about the most intolerant thing I've heard of.

No one is saying you have to stop eating, be quite, and listen in.

freedom of religion means I can pray when and where I want.
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You're confusing saying grace with religion promoted by the state.
 
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BigNBushy

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Harrekin said:
To be completely honest?

I'd genuinely look down on a family as idiots clinging to delusional ideals if they prayed in front of me.

Anyone who GENUINELY believes any of the shit in the Bible, and I don't mean just say they believe it, I mean people who genuinely KNOW that shit happened should be shipped off to a mental facility.

Let me ask you, if I told you God told me to murder 27 people, would you believe me?

Also, if so much miraculous shit happened in the Bible, why does it not happen anymore?

The "exists outside time" God got bored of us in less than 2000 years?
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The people you're talking about are a little nuts in my mind too.

But this isn't the issue.

The issue is, based on the argument of OP, do these folks have the right to pray in front of others?

OP suggests that she should not be subjected to the terribly offensive display of people bowing their heads and closing their eyes while someone says some words. Usually this block of words is free from profanity.

And no I wouldn't believe you if you said god made you kill people.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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BigNBushy said:
The people you're talking about are a little nuts in my mind too.

But this isn't the issue.

The issue is, based on the argument of OP, do these folks have the right to pray in front of others?

OP suggests that she should not be subjected to the terribly offensive display of people bowing their heads and closing their eyes while someone says some words. Usually this block of words is free from profanity.

And no I wouldn't believe you if you said god made you kill people.
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The OP, if your reading comprehension was a little better, was discussing State endorsed religion.
 
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schuylaar

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BigNBushy said:
No it doesn't.

Are you saying that you get offended when you're out to dinner, and a family at the table next to you holds hands and prays before eating?

That is about the most intolerant thing I've heard of.

No one is saying you have to stop eating, be quite, and listen in.

freedom of religion means I can pray when and where I want.
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who the fuck goes out to dinner and the next table is praying?..where the HELL do you live? salt lake?
 
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schuylaar

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if they were really concerned about religion at political functions they would do the same for ALL religion..but you know it's not the religion of the classic bible beater..once again the thumpers want to run this country through thumping christianity from the pulpit..no same sex..no abortion..yada, yada.

stop it already! just stop!
 
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schuylaar

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In her dissenting opinion, Justice Elena Kagan wrote that the town's practice violated "the breathtakingly generous constitutional idea that our public institutions belong no less to the Buddhist or Hindu than to the Methodist or Episcopalian".
"In arranging for clergy members to open each meeting, the town never sought (except briefly when this suit was filed) to involve, accommodate, or in any way reach out to adherents of non-Christian religions," she wrote.
 
Doer

Doer

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I have change my mind on this. In public meeting there is no stigma if you just stare
around the room. Sure they are judging us against their silly standards.

But, how can that be offensive if you just let them.

Now, if invited, I can just say no thanks or sure, why not.

Why do beliefs offend if we are comfortable with our self?
 
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Harrekin

Harrekin

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schuylaar said:
if they were really concerned about religion at political functions they would do the same for ALL religion..but you know it's not the religion of the classic bible beater..once again the thumpers want to run this country through thumping christianity from the pulpit..no same sex..no abortion..yada, yada.

stop it already! just stop!
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Yeah, people should definitely have the right to believe what they want, but if its outside the objective realms of reality, we shouldn't be expected to abide by it.

Dont like gay marriage? Shut the fuck up and don't marry a gay person.

Don't like abortion? Don't fucking get one.

Dont wanna have sex before marriage? Youre an idiot.

I wonder did the priest marry the altar boys before they fucked them? Oh wait, that's the whole same sex thing again...
 
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spandy

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LOL, if I want to pray in front of someone and they have a problem with it, then that's their problem to deal with.

Doesn't matter if I'm talking to God, the guy next to me, or myself, seriously fuck off if you don't like what I have to say. Your ears will survive my opinion just as I survive yours.

"Oh derp, its like smoking" No, its like freedom of speech.
 
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