science: multiculturalism and integration diminishes racism

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/white-people-become-less-racist-just-by-moving-to-more-diverse-areas-study-finds-9166506.html

what does RIU think?

NUH UH! BULLSHIT!

or

makes sense.

you tell me.

Better than what exactly?

Good article. And, it totally makes sense.

Kynes is spinning in his fucking grave. The "multicultural wasteland" was one his favorite talking points.

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abandonconflict said:

Better than what exactly?

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Than laws that think they can control it and laws saying you can`t defend against it without being charged a hate crime in return.

What did you think I meant ?

OddBall1st said:

Than laws that think they can control it and laws saying you can`t defend against it without being charged a hate crime in return.

What did you think I meant ?

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I thought you meant that UB was suggesting that it should be acceptable and fashionable to sling racial slurs.

hahahah heres one for ya check this clip out ... from 20th second to the 40th second of it it's a funny shit on a subject...

UncleBuck said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/white-people-become-less-racist-just-by-moving-to-more-diverse-areas-study-finds-9166506.html

what does RIU think?

NUH UH! BULLSHIT!

or

makes sense.

you tell me.

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I'm in the makes sense crowd, based upon long personal experience- starting with going around the world as a small child.

Racism is a disease of simple minds.

Nice, he starts a thread by citing a peer reviewed scientific study and someone cites the Wayans brothers.

What about reverse racism? Or racism towards white people? Lol honestly I think it's not a valid arguement. Racism has to be applied and institutionalized. People of color have it the worse, with less oppuriunity to make it out the culture of poverty (which was created by racism)

foreverflyhi said:

Racism has to be applied and institutionalized. People of color have it the worse, with less oppuriunity.....

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Please explain the bold section. It literally makes no sense to me. Thanks and have a wonderful evening!

foreverflyhi said:

What about reverse racism? Or racism towards white people? Lol honestly I think it's not a valid arguement. Racism has to be applied and institutionalized. People of color have it the worse, with less oppuriunity to make it out the culture of poverty (which was created by racism)

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i think this study only reviewed what happened to whites who moved to diverse areas.

some people would argue that minorities can't be racist because racism is a power dynamic, and those without the power to hold back others thus can not be racist. honestly, i sympathize with that view.

i think minorities can be racist against whites in the sense of saying racist things and whatnot, but they cannot do to whites what whites have done to almost every minority group in the history of this nation, including other white ones which they viewed as inferior.

so i don't know if this study applies to minorities, i don't think it even can. but i do think that the lesson here applies: minorities who are clustered into groups of like minorities will probably be more racist against others outside their own race than minorities who live in diverse areas.

see4 said:

Please explain the bold section. It literally makes no sense to me. Thanks and have a wonderful evening!

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i don't think he's rooting for racism to be institutionalized, i think he is reiterating a view that in order for racism to be anything more than slurs and names, it has to be institutionalized.

in other words, since minority groups can not create the same oppression and discrimination that those in power (white people) can, they cannot be considered truly racist, even if they are bigoted.

that would be my guess based on the rest of what he wrote.

UncleBuck said:

i don't think he's rooting for racism to be institutionalized, i think he is reiterating a view that in order for racism to be anything more than slurs and names, it has to be institutionalized.

in other words, since minority groups can not create the same oppression and discrimination that those in power (white people) can, they cannot be considered truly racist, even if they are bigoted.

that would be my guess based on the rest of what he wrote.

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Yea I can see that as a best guess. But then, "institutionalized" is really the wrong word here.

Poor oppressed white men...

see4 said:

Yea I can see that as a best guess. But then, "institutionalized" is really the wrong word here.

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i would disagree.

for racism to be anything other than mere slurs and attitudes, it really must be institutionalized. institutionalization of racism is where the rubber meets the road, it is where harm occurs, it is where one race is held back by another in a systemic way.

blacks can use slurs against whites all they want while whites say nothing back, but at the end of the day, almost every aspect of the black person's life is made worse by the actions of white people in power. everything from a job application being considered less to a car being pulled over more often to a harsher sentence being applied for the same crime, all without a single slur ever uttered.

i did not mean for this thread to go down this road, but it is an interesting conversation to be had.

UncleBuck said:

i would disagree.

for racism to be anything other than mere slurs and attitudes, it really must be institutionalized. institutionalization of racism is where the rubber meets the road, it is where harm occurs, it is where one race is held back by another in a systemic way.

blacks can use slurs against whites all they want while whites say nothing back, but at the end of the day, almost every aspect of the black person's life is made worse by the actions of white people in power. everything from a job application being considered less to a car being pulled over more often to a harsher sentence being applied for the same crime, all without a single slur ever uttered.

i did not mean for this thread to go down this road, but it is an interesting conversation to be had.

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then by that definition, racism is already institutionalized and this argument moot.

by saying that racism is not already institutionalized, or at the very least, making its way BACK to being institutionalized, I think is a bit narrow-minded and some would argue sort of dangerous. would you not agree?

Interesting dialogue.

Then is there a better word to describe acts and words which are not racist only because they lack institutional current? I don't think anyone is saying that black people can't discriminate against or offend white people simply because they are in a position of systematic vulnerability and persecution. However, if you don't call it racist, what do you call it? Question directed to UncleBuck.

I think calling it for what it is, is a start on reconizing rascism in all its oppresive form. Simply because you might not use the n word, does not mean rasism isn't there, that's a small example of how rasism is institionalized.

however, to contradict myself a bit, and to recognize the "lesser evil" of the two,

Sure a person of color can be prejediuice towards a white person, but usually this only comes in a form of words and or small random acts of violence. (Which is usually linked to retaliation of institionalized racism) Nothing compared to the 400+ years of racisim here in America caused by white people... ( sorry for grammer I'm high and it's late lol)

abandonconflict said:

Then is there a better word to describe acts and words which are not racist only because they lack institutional current? I don't think anyone is saying that black people can't discriminate against or offend white people simply because they are in a position of systematic vulnerability and persecution. However, if you don't call it racist, what do you call it? Question directed to UncleBuck.

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still call it racist. just not institutionalized racism.