ScrOG size

hey ya'll,

i decided that in my small little op a ScrOG was really a no brainer for me and have things all set to go for the next crop to be ScrOGged.

my problem is i have a new grow area i am developing and unlike the first area i will not be able to get in as well or slide the whole ScrOG out on a drawer type arrangement... the new area has a smallish door.

so, here is my question: how big should the screen be for a ScrOG so i can screen each individual plant rather than making one big ScrOG net for all of them?

using individual screens per plant will allow me to pull each of them out of the grow area and train them.

i am thinking an 18" square screen over each pot should do the trick.

is there something i am missing in the ScrOG concept that makes this a stupid n00b question?

thanks

Since you are keeping it to individual pots have you looked into LST?

Basically you tie the plant to the pot and train it around in a horizonal circle.

There is info in the GrowFAQ about it.

actually, i am already LST training the plants before they hit the ScrOG... they already have a dozen or so nicely developed bud sites that are all about at the same height.

with the limited vertical space i have, i have been going for super shrubbing

bump for the evening crowd

18x18 should work well with that many branches.

why no grow journal with pics and goodies??? Like swagart I like to watch!

couple reasons...

1: i know what a good grow looks like, and i aint doing anywhere near close to it yet.

2: my camera blows.

3: i am a lazy stoner.

4: i barely got this "room" setup and i am already moving to the new one.

basically, the pics would mostly show how NOT to grow pot

by the time i am actually buying seeds or getting more than a couple ounces per plant, i will share some bud porn

i do however, have a fairly comprehensive personal grow log i keep in a text file... copious notes are a MUST!

what is your maximum size can they get?because mine can only get a foot and half tall max,so i ben wondering should i pop them straight into flowering or how tall should i veg them?don't mean to bash u thread or anything,just need sum advise,and is there a lst video?

the thing with LST and ScrOG is that it dictates the maximum size, not the plant... need it 12 inches tall and it grew to 16 inches? no big deal, just tie that puppy down (LST)

want to make sure that the plant doesnt ever get any higher than a certain point? no problem, just put a mesh (ScrOG) over it and tuck the buds and branches back.

what i am doing right now on the next crop is LSTing them so the spread out wide and allow what would normally be the lowest branches become average or even highest branches on the plant and then i will put the ScrOG over that to let it fill up.... turning what would normally be a 3 foot or so tall plant into something that is just about 20 inches tall and (if i go with an 18" screen like i am thinking) 18 inches square.... i hope to get up to 20 decently sized buds per plant.

the hope here is that not only will i get plants that fit my space more efficiently, but also increase my yield by at least 25%.

i looked quickly for some video on LST, but i couldnt find any... no real shock though since all it is is tying your plant down, basically.

however, check these out:
GROWFAQ <-- LST

GROWFAQ <-- ScrOG

as i said in your thread, you dont want to put sproutlings directly to flower because that will give ridiculously minuscule yield... literally a small bud on a stick that you would be lucky to get a joint off of... but give them a couple weeks in veg first... that will keep them small... and to make sure they stay below the height you need, just take a string and carefully tie them down... unless you break them or put the leaves/branches into the dirt, they will do just fine.... in fact, i have one of my budding plants pretty well tied into a pretzel as of tonight... it was not LST'd or ScrOGed and keeps growing into my lights.

since you are so concerned with size though, take a look at these cute little buggers: Lowryder seeds

not the greatest smoke ever from what i understand, but they sure are compact! also, they are an autoflowering plant so they do not require a separate veg/flower arrangement.

when i order some seeds i think i will give the Diesel Ryder a try as well as a couple other strains.... however, i should point out that i mostly just want to try them for novelty's sake... i have almost 3 vertical feet to work with, so i am not limited as much as you seem to be and can go for some more potent/flavorful strains.

I am into my second scrog. The first one was only two plants. I LST'ed them for about 6 weeks of veg and then put them in the flowering room. Instead of tucking the plants under a screen or poultry netting, I trained them on top of a grid that I made from bamboo sticks. It was easy to work with and as new growth appeared I used plastic zip ties to fasten them down to the grid. I am using the same technique now for my second scrog with 4 clones and 1 bagseed female. Below is the first scrog. The yield ended up being about 2 ounces per plant. Using the grid method may give you more flexibility. It is easy to move things around as they grow. I was using 400 HPS light for flowering cycle.

ok, so i wrote a really big post here and then promptly fucked up and lost it... i am going to try and recreate it now, but that always leads to a really disjointed post... sorry, hope i salvage it.

anyway, nice ScrOG you have going there, Tommy thanks for the pic!

soooooo, i found this really great article on ScrOGging last night but because it is at another forum and i am new to RIU, i am not in a big hurry to post the link here... tell me if i should post it, please. RIU seems to have the correct idea on sharing info is cool, but again, i am new here, so not wanting to offend the Powers That Be.

anyway, one of the things they said was that long veg and serious LSTing before the ScrOG like Tommy and i do is not recommended... at the very least it counts as Advanced ScrOG. their points where that it is too much work, too much time, and not that big of a return on yield in the end when you factor in the time. i can see their points, but i have no real plans on changing.... i like to play with my plants

they also said that a 12 inch screen was recommended per plant... due to the long veg, i think i will be going with a 16 inch screen.... mostly because 18 inches just seems it will be that much more awkward to deal with rather than my thinking those extra 2 inches will be a waste.

they also had some plans for a Modular ScrOG setup that is the exact concept of what i want... i will be modifying those plans to suit my needs.

another point that they brought up that makes perfect sense but i hadnt thought about was that ScrOG is not suitable to perpetual grow ops due to the awkwardness of conventional ScrOG makes for a rather dirty grow environment. bringing new plants in and harvesting old plants lead to a diminishing returns situation due to ScrOG being perfect for breeding bad grow conditions like molds, fungi and critters.... the modular ScrOG makes it so that the whole grow area can be broken down and cleaned periodically and gets past that limitation with the concept. so, by having my new grow area have some different physics for growing, seems i saved myself from experiencing the train wreck that was headed my way

ok, i think that is all i had to say before my browser issue helped me lose my text... hopefully it made sense

bfq said:

They also had some plans for a Modular ScrOG setup that is the exact concept of what i want... i will be modifying those plans to suit my needs.

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That is the key. Do the research, take what you need and leave the rest. I remember the first time was going to top a plant. I had such anxiety over maybe ruining a perfectly happy clone. Almost everything I have learned about growing, I learned here. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from the experience of others. I love to experiment and play with my plants too. After all, it is only a weed.

i would say the IDEA for almost everything you learned about growing might have been found here... but the real learning was found on your own plants

True That!

I use the same methods you are and have for years..... I grow all organic in soil, take clones depending on the strain this my vary, but I do tons of LST in veg. Usually I top them at about the 5th node and once the tops develope a little i tie them down. I just take a couple small clones off my plants right before they go to flower for my next grow and theyll veg to the right size in that time. Either way I train in veg until I get about 12 or so well developed growth shoots at least reaching 4-5 inches above the soil. I transplant to 4 gallon pots let them root for a couple days and then add screens. My screens are 13.5inches with 1 1/2 inch squares. I place them about 5-6 inches above the soil. I grow 4 plants with a 400. The shoots that are long get bended where I want them usually away from the ones that are about 5inches up since they obviously cant go anywhere. I switch to flowering right after adding the screens and 1st training. After that there is some training to even out the canopy but it just depends how it grows and if ur strains are uniform etc. My result is about 45-50 tops and 8-10 ozs of primo buds of a so called low yielding strain. Peace sorry for the long post hope this makes you feel better.

what size light do you have?

Looks very good. Like 1 of mine A 400

cool, thanks for the info and pics