Sea of Green

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Macinfo

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There is this method called Sea of Green, basically you set up two shelves, the bottom shelf has constant 18 hours of light, and top has 12/12. You use the bottom for sapling cultivation, and the top shelf for flowering. And basically everytime a plant is ready to flower you move it to the top shelf and set a new one down the bottom in vegetative growth. you constantly have two plants going, one in vegetative growth and one that's flowering.

Has anyone here tried it, does the rotation make for more speedy weed growth/harvest?
 
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Well it doesnt have to be literally a shelf it could be two boxes next to each other. If I had the space indoors I think I could pull it off


I was thinking it could benefit from a third shelf/box/stage. One for initial sprouting, set to maybe 20/4, one middle for vegetative, set to 16/8, and one for flowering 12/12.


Will it adversely affect the plant to give it a lot of light in it's early days while it's sprouting?
 
Robert Paulson

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That is not the Sea of Green technique. Got your names mixed up somewhere.

What you are talking about is just a perpetual grow system. read some threads on perpetual grows on here and you will learn a ton. there is one that is called "harvest a pound every month"

Good luck and read up before asking super basic questions.
 
solarphlare

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Is he or she not talking about perpetual harvest. Is that not ratating plants from clone to veg to flower and repeat. StinkBuds Areoponics/nft is in my oppinion one of the best perpetual harvest techniques.
 
IAm5toned

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thats not a sea of green.

thats a small quasi-perpetual grow..

how do you keep the bottom shelf (18/6) from light poisoning the top shelf? (12/12)

sounds like a recipie for hermies to me.



that, is a sea of green.... dozens of clones/lollipops force flowered from a very early age, almost no veg time, 2 weeks at best.

the concept is to have a 'sea' of single colas, therefore maximizing your grow room floor/area to BUD production, not BUSH production.........


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@Robert Paulson - Alright cheers man

@solarphlare - yeah that is pretty much it

@I am5toned - I see...that does make sense to be honest...when I read about this I thought, it doesn't really sound like a sea, man, it sound like two shelves of green.

Well like I said it doesn't have to be literal shelves, you could just box off each stage to stop light escaping.

Still same principle though, is it worth setting up a rotation like this for personal use? I think the only drawback is probably space and the responsibility of simultaneously looking after two plants in different stages of growth
 
Robert Paulson

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i would just get some basic grows under your belt brefore wasting money on stuff you will eventually decide to change. get some grows in and you will learn a bunch and laugh at these questions in the future.
 
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The key difference between sea of green and just a perpetual grow is that SoG saves space and equipment by eliminating most of the need for veg. A lot of people go straight from clone to flower, and don't even need a MH bulb because they veg with CFL's to save money. Look around both here, and on the web. There's a ton of useful info about SoG out there.

And Robert is right, get your basic grow down first, then branch off into things like SoG and perpetual setups once you can grow blindfolded. I'm doing it backward and starting off with SoG, and it's not easy. A lot of stuff to get down. I lost two months worth of work to stunted plants and herms trying to get my first grow down using bagseed. Can you imagine how much those mistakes would have cost me if I'd decided to start out with an actual STRAIN?
 
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Robert Paulson said:
i would just get some basic grows under your belt brefore wasting money on stuff you will eventually decide to change. get some grows in and you will learn a bunch and laugh at these questions in the future.
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Yeah but it would be dumb to run in blindfolded. I might ask basic questions to you man but I am just asking things that are gonna help me get a smokable plant at the end here.

Except for this rotation/sea of green, I don't really need to know that's true I was just wondering about different setups.

@LordWinter, just out of curiosity what do you lose out on by skipping vegetative growth? I would have thought you'd end up with some heavy headed plants. It's basically cutting out the middle man of the stems, you get direct flow from root to bush I suppose, but what's the catch?
 
solarphlare

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popcorn buds if your growing indoors with a weak light and a long veg, growing redwood trees indoor, remember that a marijuana plants can grow to be 22 feet tall. HAHAHAHAHA.
 
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Macinfo said:
Yeah but it would be dumb to run in blindfolded. I might ask basic questions to you man but I am just asking things that are gonna help me get a smokable plant at the end here.

Except for this rotation/sea of green, I don't really need to know that's true I was just wondering about different setups.

@LordWinter, just out of curiosity what do you lose out on by skipping vegetative growth? I would have thought you'd end up with some heavy headed plants. It's basically cutting out the middle man of the stems, you get direct flow from root to bush I suppose, but what's the catch?
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What you lose out on is mass quantity. By skipping veg, you can accelerate the harvest, but you decrease your individual plant yield by reducing it's natural grow cycle. Consequently, some believe that it replaces the quantity lost by an increase in potency. Having no experience in running comparative grows like that, I can't say for sure whether that's true or not. The end result, however, is that you can fit far more plants into the flowering area in SoG because you keep the plants small. And yes, you can end up with heavy headed plants, but that's something that isn't difficult at all to deal with.
 
Robert Paulson

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SoG is a good technique and will give you nice juicy buds, as for losing potentcy with this technique i have never heard of and highly doubt.

the only problem i have with the technique is that by being a medical grower i am limited to 6 plants in flower per card, those 6 can be 10 foot or 2foot it doesn't matter, therefore SoG isn't a good option because you want the most out of each plant.
 
IAm5toned

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if yur limited to six flowering, sog is only good if your a perpetual master.
you can crank out some bud in a sog cabinet real quick if youve got it down right. average 14-17g per plant thats 3zips of meds every 8 weeks with just a 400w on top and a 250w on the bottom for veg/moms
but you gotta have it dialed in right. i used to do mine in 4" starter pots if i ran from seed 10-12 weeks but rooted clones 8-9 weeks.
it just takes a run or 2 to get it dialed in right.and then 3-4 runs to time it right, as far as having the right amount of rooted clones ready to go into soil and flower and having the moms get enough recovery time. sometimes i will sacrifice a mom when it gets to big and just replace it with the top of one of the early (2week or less) flowering ladies and just replace the mom w/ one of her offspring.
beleive it or not the hardest part of this method is the soil recipe. its a bitch formulating soil that is a) not hot enough to burn fresh clones/seedlings but b) strong enough to support the plants growth as it stretches, and c) dense enough to support the plants weight once she's fully filled but d) still provide enough drainage and aeration once the plant is almost done because she will most certainly eat most of the organic matter. its funny, big buds out of little tiny pots, its like your looking for the ebb/flow but there is none...

old pics of one of my cabs, 8weeks in.

see how the small the pots are? lol trippy huh

i had eight in that batch, not six, but you get the point. if your just growing for personal, this is a fun way to do it, and cheap to. a cab only takes up 24"x32" and only uses 700w, 400w for flowering and 250w for veg. 25w a peice for fans. u can gang u bunch of them together with ease on one set of timers if you know your wiring.
 
Shadeslay

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IAm5toned said:
if yur limited to six flowering, sog is only good if your a perpetual master.
you can crank out some bud in a sog cabinet real quick if youve got it down right. average 14-17g per plant thats 3zips of meds every 8 weeks with just a 400w on top and a 250w on the bottom for veg/moms
but you gotta have it dialed in right. i used to do mine in 4" starter pots if i ran from seed 10-12 weeks but rooted clones 8-9 weeks.
it just takes a run or 2 to get it dialed in right.and then 3-4 runs to time it right, as far as having the right amount of rooted clones ready to go into soil and flower and having the moms get enough recovery time. sometimes i will sacrifice a mom when it gets to big and just replace it with the top of one of the early (2week or less) flowering ladies and just replace the mom w/ one of her offspring.
beleive it or not the hardest part of this method is the soil recipe. its a bitch formulating soil that is a) not hot enough to burn fresh clones/seedlings but b) strong enough to support the plants growth as it stretches, and c) dense enough to support the plants weight once she's fully filled but d) still provide enough drainage and aeration once the plant is almost done because she will most certainly eat most of the organic matter. its funny, big buds out of little tiny pots, its like your looking for the ebb/flow but there is none...

old pics of one of my cabs, 8weeks in.

see how the small the pots are? lol trippy huh

i had eight in that batch, not six, but you get the point. if your just growing for personal, this is a fun way to do it, and cheap to. a cab only takes up 24"x32" and only uses 700w, 400w for flowering and 250w for veg. 25w a peice for fans. u can gang u bunch of them together with ease on one set of timers if you know your wiring.
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lol when I first saw the 2nd pic, I thought holy crap those buds are big, thinking that was a walkin cabinet grow. Looked at the scissors and thought "wtf" is he a giant? where the hell did he get scissors that big?
 
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LordWinter

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its a bitch formulating soil that is a) not hot enough to burn fresh clones/seedlings but b) strong enough to support the plants growth as it stretches, and c) dense enough to support the plants weight once she's fully filled but d) still provide enough drainage and aeration once the plant is almost done because she will most certainly eat most of the organic matter. its funny, big buds out of little tiny pots, its like your looking for the ebb/flow but there is none...
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LMAO, don't I know it. I'm working with roughly a 1/4/2 mixture of Perlite, Peat, and soil amendment (in that order) right now. How many grows did it take you to get your soil tweaked in for your strains? Or do you use a general mix for all your strains and tweak the fertilizers through the use of boosters?
 
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