Second grow (clones from the first)

Cannadab1s

Cannadab1s

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Wisher2 said:
you should reread her entire thread
you will notice not once did I tell her to or even suggest her purchase anything other than an RO filter because her well water is extremely bad to the point they have to distill to even have water

I was working with her with what she had
and her plants were pulling out of what ever she had going on
others suggested other things and she went with that...now her plant is stalling
but you live in an echo chamber
you think what you are saying is correct
the problem is that what you say is not correct
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I said, "hey, maybe try something easier." Proactive, not reactive.

This grow stuff doesn't need to be this complicated. I said she was over complicating it.
 
Wisher2

Wisher2

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Cannadab1s said:
I said, "hey, maybe try something easier." Proactive, not reactive.

This grow stuff doesn't need to be this complicated. I said she was over complicating it.
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like switching everything she had going for something completely different rather than work with what she already had
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Cannadab1s said:
Consequences of low genetic diversity
There are two well-known examples of the consequences of low genetic diversity, the Irish potato blight famine of 1850 and the Southern corn leaf blight of 1970.

The potato (Solanum tuberosum) originated in South America, but was carried back to Europe around 1530. By the early 1800s potatoes had become a staple food of Ireland, in particular of farmers and the rural population. In 1845 a disease caused by the protist Phytophthora infestans, commonly known as potato blight, began to spread. Because all the potatoes in Ireland descended from the small number that were introduced (producing a genetic bottleneck) and potatoes are usually grown from tubers from the mother plant (clones) rather than seed, there was very little genetic diversity among them. Since all the alleles in the population were the same, and susceptible to the disease, nearly all the potatoes in the country were killed. Since the Irish depending heavily on potatoes as a food source, this led to mass starvation during 1845-1852. The Great Famine decimated 25% of the Irish population and was one of the factors responsible for increased emigration to the US. There were complicated political issues that exacerbated the famine, but the underlying cause was the inability of the potato population to respond to the pathogen, due to its low genetic diversity.

The second example is the Southern corn leaf blight. Nearly all maize varieties in the US are hybrids, varieties produced by crossing two inbred parents together. Pollen from one parent is used to fertilize the other parent. In the past, to ensure that all kernels were really from the cross and not from self-pollination, all the plants used as females in the cross were detasseled by hand (this removed the pollen source, so any kernels that developed must have been pollinated from the other parent). To avoid the labor-intensive work of detasseling, plants that are male-sterile were subsequently developed for use as the female parent. Thus, self-fertilization was impossible. However, all the plants initially developed this way had very little diversity, as they were derived from a single parental type. In the 1970s, a fungus, Bipolaris maydis, began to spread throughout the US, devastating corn production (losses in the U.S. were estimated at one billion dollars; in some regions fields were completely lost). Because all maize varieties at the time were so genetically similar, none of them had genes that were resistant to this fungus; whereas, if there had been many diverse types growing, some would have been likely to contain genes resistant to the fungus. Plant breeders realized that genetic diversity among their populations is crucial, and have since been careful to avoid growing single crop systems (monocultures).

These types of devastating epidemics can be avoided by maintaining good levels of genetic diversity in crop populations; that is, making sure that all the plants are not too genetically similar.
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We’re not talking about the Irish Potato Famine where all the crops are from one genetic line and thus all die off when susceptible to the same disease. We’re talking about preserving a line, not growing nothing but this homogeneous, inbred strain for the whole country and nothing else. This entire post is fucking irrelevant.
 
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Cannadab1s

Cannadab1s

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Olive Drab Green said:
We’re not talking about the Irish Potato famine where all the crops are from one genetic line and thus all die off when susceptible to the same disease. We’re talking about preserving a line, not growing nothing but this homogeneous, inbred strain for the whole country and nothing else. This entire post is fucking irrelevant.
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You got something about best lights, best medium, best nutes and best grow box too?
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Cannadab1s said:
I am serious. I get it. You breed 2 pugs and you will get a, "cute pug". Doesn't mean it's healthy.
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You’re so dumb. You don’t understand genotypes and phenotypes and plant genetics at all. You’re just entrenched in your own bullshit, so I’ll leave you there and bide my time with something that doesn’t involve arguing with an invalid.
 
Cannadab1s

Cannadab1s

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Olive Drab Green said:
You’re so dumb. You don’t understand genotypes and phenotypes and plant genetics at all. You’re just entrenched in your own bullshit, so I’ll leave you there and bide my time with something that doesn’t involve arguing with an invalid.
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Make way for omniscient olive drag queen. You seem stressed. Have a good day :)
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Cannadab1s said:
You got something about best lights, best medium, best nutes and best grow box too?
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I mean, I prefer Roots Organics, and COBs, but you can do whatever the fuck you want. Your inexperience and lack of education in this field shows from your lack of ability to grasp basic concepts regarding genetics. You’re a gardener, nothing more. And that’s fine, but don’t act like you know what you’re talking about, then.
 
Cannadab1s

Cannadab1s

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Olive Drab Green said:
I mean, I prefer Roots Organics, and COBs, but you can do whatever the fuck you want. Your inexperience and lack of education in this field shows from your lack of ability to grasp basic concepts regarding genetics. You’re a gardener, nothing more. And that’s fine, but don’t act like you know what you’re talking about, then.
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COBs are so general. Which are the best and why?
 
Wisher2

Wisher2

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Cannadab1s said:
Consequences of low genetic diversity
There are two well-known examples of the consequences of low genetic diversity, the Irish potato blight famine of 1850 and the Southern corn leaf blight of 1970.

The potato (Solanum tuberosum) originated in South America, but was carried back to Europe around 1530. By the early 1800s potatoes had become a staple food of Ireland, in particular of farmers and the rural population. In 1845 a disease caused by the protist Phytophthora infestans, commonly known as potato blight, began to spread. Because all the potatoes in Ireland descended from the small number that were introduced (producing a genetic bottleneck) and potatoes are usually grown from tubers from the mother plant (clones) rather than seed, there was very little genetic diversity among them. Since all the alleles in the population were the same, and susceptible to the disease, nearly all the potatoes in the country were killed. Since the Irish depending heavily on potatoes as a food source, this led to mass starvation during 1845-1852. The Great Famine decimated 25% of the Irish population and was one of the factors responsible for increased emigration to the US. There were complicated political issues that exacerbated the famine, but the underlying cause was the inability of the potato population to respond to the pathogen, due to its low genetic diversity.

The second example is the Southern corn leaf blight. Nearly all maize varieties in the US are hybrids, varieties produced by crossing two inbred parents together. Pollen from one parent is used to fertilize the other parent. In the past, to ensure that all kernels were really from the cross and not from self-pollination, all the plants used as females in the cross were detasseled by hand (this removed the pollen source, so any kernels that developed must have been pollinated from the other parent). To avoid the labor-intensive work of detasseling, plants that are male-sterile were subsequently developed for use as the female parent. Thus, self-fertilization was impossible. However, all the plants initially developed this way had very little diversity, as they were derived from a single parental type. In the 1970s, a fungus, Bipolaris maydis, began to spread throughout the US, devastating corn production (losses in the U.S. were estimated at one billion dollars; in some regions fields were completely lost). Because all maize varieties at the time were so genetically similar, none of them had genes that were resistant to this fungus; whereas, if there had been many diverse types growing, some would have been likely to contain genes resistant to the fungus. Plant breeders realized that genetic diversity among their populations is crucial, and have since been careful to avoid growing single crop systems (monocultures).

These types of devastating epidemics can be avoided by maintaining good levels of genetic diversity in crop populations; that is, making sure that all the plants are not too genetically similar.
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what this post leaves out is selective breeding specifically for resistance to pest and disease
breeding plays a huge roll in this

do you feel that breeding is the act of conjoining two plants of exact same origin
so garbage herm is the result of inbreeding not outbreeding but this is from your lack of knowledge on the subject
again you are spitting in the wind
you have no clue
instead of posting something that someone else has written .....tell me in your own words how this works
how it is good to have herm genetics
and how herm genetics are good for the species of cannabis

selective breeding wouldnt allow this to happen and would actively breed this out

strong genetics means a plant with a genetic makeup of which is disease resistant, herm resistant, pest resistant, high quality terpenes and flavanoids, high resin content whether THC or CBD, branching. yield etc.....this is breeding
maybe you should read a book other than the crackpot Jorge Cervantes
maybe a Botany book like basics 101
by the way
why didnt the potato famine happen in South America
maybe because they were resistant to the local diseases but not foreign disease from a foreign land
and since there was no diversity to breed and create new resistant stock they took a hit.....

expand your mind
 
Cannadab1s

Cannadab1s

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Wisher2 said:
what this post leaves out is selective breeding specifically for resistance to pest and disease
breeding plays a huge roll in this

do you feel that breeding is the act of conjoining two plants of exact same origin
so garbage herm is the result of inbreeding not outbreeding but this isnfrom your lack of knowledge on the subject
again you are spitting in the wind
you have no clue
instead of posting something that someone else has written .....tell me in your own words how this works
how it is good to have herm genetics
and how herm genetics are good for the species of cannabis

selective breeding wouldnt allow this to happen and would actively breed this out

strong genetics means a plant with a genetic makeup of which is disease resistant, herm resistant, pest resistant, high quality terpenes and flavanoids, high resin content whether THC or CBD, branching. yield etc.....this is breeding
maybe you should read a book other than the crackpot Jorge Cervantes
maybe a Botany book like basics 101
by the way
why didnt the potato famine happen in South America
maybe because they were resistant to the local diseases but not foreign disease from a foreign land
and since there was no diversity to breed and create new resistant stock they took a hit.....

expand your mind
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You know it all. You should write a book. Farmers are pro. Look at all the excess nutrients floating around in the water. Yeah, i trust them too. Lol
 
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