Seed Breeders and lack of descriptions..... especially for outdoor

The Jeneral said:

I live in Michigan, US. USDA zone 6. I am an outdoor only grower. I have been enjoying this herb for over 30 years, but only growing for 4. Please help me understand why some (or many) seed breeders do not include descriptions on their strains. For the life of me I cannot understand why the breeder would not want customers to know about their product. Especially when they are charging an average of $10+ per seed. As an outdoor grower I have had so much trouble just trying to figure out what I can grow outside successfully, in my area. I have spent so much time researching without much forward gain. I have even emailed breeders to ask about strains they have bred and either don't get an answer or I get a list of links to forums with pages and pages of unrelated info. Do they not know anything about the strains they are breeding?? Why would they not offer descriptions? Would that not save time from people asking these questions? Are they just too busy? Do they mostly breed indoor?
I would love to know which breeders actually grow outdoor, potent strains for sale in US and either give good descriptions or are at least willing to answer questions about their products.
Humboldt Seed Company has good info. I am trying some All Gas OG this year.
Twenty20 Mendocino has excellent info. I am trying several from them this year.
I love the Bodhi strains I have grown so far....but again, just so hard to find info on the strains.
I have heard good things about Oregon Green Seed, but have not tried them yet.

Thank you in advance!!

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hotrodharley said:

Dude, too many points to address in the defense of breeders including the intrigue amongst breeders, protecting their secrets and not wanting to share information with potential law enforcement.

Live in the north? Forget sativas outdoors.

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xtsho said:

Just get any decent indica dominant strain that will finish where you're at and roll with it. Descriptions are not reliable. And as far as things like taste, smell, etc... you could take ten different people and get ten different descriptions. If they don't list anything about the genetics it's because they don't want to tell.



I have a pack of Canadian Bred Seeds Early Sativa. They claim it finishes in September. I haven't had the chance to grow any yet to find out. I'm south in zone 8 at 45.5° N and I can't grow sativas outdoors either. Well they'll grow but they won't finish.

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Herb & Suds said:

It would be like asking you the exact weather conditions you'll be growing in
It can't be done
Breeders take educated guesses always with the end goal of selling gear
$10 for a seed that could yield pounds is cheap
Edit:
Maybe a greenhouse is in order ...my solution was to move indoors

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xtsho said:

Just get any decent indica dominant strain that will finish where you're at and roll with it. Descriptions are not reliable. And as far as things like taste, smell, etc... you could take ten different people and get ten different descriptions. If they don't list anything about the genetics it's because they don't want to tell.



I have a pack of Canadian Bred Seeds Early Sativa. They claim it finishes in September. I haven't had the chance to grow any yet to find out. I'm south in zone 8 at 45.5° N and I can't grow sativas outdoors either. Well they'll grow but they won't finish.

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Rivendell said:

There seems to be a big hole in the seed game in general, Nobody is really making outdoor seeds anymore. Sure there are a few strains here and there, but I am not aware of anyone that is focused on it and widely available. If its not some chem/cookie/og mash up that looks pretty on IG, no one has the time for it anymore it seems. Odd overlooked section of the home growers seed market as more and more people can grow in their backyards, just waiting for someone to corner the market.

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Funkentelechy said:

I feel your pain as far as descriptions are concerned, growing outdoors legally I only get six mature plants a year. I would love more descriptions, especially considering how much seeds cost. Although to be fair, I can understand how potentially problematic it would be to list things like finishing times. Everyone's individual experiences will vary based on phenotypes and growing conditions and unfortunately, invariably people get butthurt if their plants don't finish when the description said they should.
But, some description of the general range of phenotypical expression would be super helpful. I've curious about Coastal Seed Co, but with $150-$200 a pack and zero description, I just can't take the chance at that price point.

I don't think it is as big of a deal to indoor growers, because you can get any strain to finish indoors, and indoor growers can do so many cycles in a year that they can take more chances.

I have never grown anything from them(yet) but Dynasty genetics has great descriptions.

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waterproof808 said:

Its best to choose breeders that breed outdoors...few guys I can think of off the top of my head are Mean Gene aka Freeborn Selections, 707seedbank, Ganja Rebel.

707's new kush cleaner line is priced around $50...I just picked up his candyland x kush cleaner that he says has a 6-8 week finish time.

Other than that, alot of it is trial and error. When you find stuff that does well in your area, look for breeders using similar genetics or just start making your own seeds, which is probably the best route in the long run. From personal experience, skip anything with chem dog in it...I've always found it to be mold prone. Og's can do alright, some cookie crosses I have run do surprisingly well also.

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TheShortAnswer said:

I'm in Massachusetts, attempting my second outdoor grow. Weather is very similar... you can find some detailed descriptions about strains but you have to big a little. I'm growing three mostly sativa strains this year and they should finish before it gets too cold. My concern is bud rot, growing in New England the fall is usually cold and damp but it can be done.

This years grow... all details are found on the breeders site...

Cultivars

Raphael (Fem) (Strawberry Fields x Blueberry Cookies) - Irie Genetics

Effects: Happy, Creative, Focused

Flower Time: 56-65 days

Yield: Huge Yields

Potency: THC23%

Details: Plants grow with hyper vigor and produce huge colas. The dried cured buds taste like blueberries and strawberry milkshakes.

Fast N’ Glorious (Reg) (Early Mandala #1 x South African Highland) – Mandala Seeds

Effects: Uplifting, Clear, Creative, Focused, Happy

Flower Time: 60+ days - early onset of flowering to ensure consistency and safer harvests in times of unreliable weather patterns and global climate change.

Yield: Above Average

Potency: THC 18.5-21%; CBD 0.1%; CBG 1%

Details: For outdoor cultivation in the Northern Hemisphere. Grows well in hot or cold weather, as well as humid areas, making it a versatile strain for extreme climates. The refreshing high expands effortlessly and is long lasting. Described as not only clear-headed but an ‘awakening’ it supports creative, social and transcendental pursuits opening-up new perspectives.



Chick Magnet (Fem) (PuTang x Swabi Pakistani) – Mass Medical Strains

Effects: Uplifted mood, strong happy effect; as a bonus, these contain the rare cannabinoid THCV.

Flower Time: 63 days

Yield: Very High Yields

Potency: Effects are best at 5-10% amber, mostly cloudy trichome

Details: Energy without the paranoia typically associated with sativa strains. Natural foxtail structures on large dense frosty nugs; foxtail structure is natural and not a sign of stress, it’s a good thing. An incredible anti-anxiety sativa with a fast flowering time and an outstanding, unique flavor profile!

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Rozgreenburn said:

You will probably get more and better info from the people on this site. I just plain refuse to buy something without knowing what the hell it is. Good luck...

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hotrodharley said:

You can’t beat natural sunlight for healthy growing.

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hotrodharley said:

Some of us actually focus on preserving landrace strains. Indicas and sativas. Again I veg outdoors all summer near Fairbanks Alaska. Plants love it. However by the time the daylight hours get short enough to finish flower it’s freezing. I do mean freezing. I grew guerilla for years along the Rockies starting in NM all the way to MT. If you can finish under cover and with heat just about any strain grows well outdoors.

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