Seed Predisposition

No im very optimistic that something can be found out that will help all growers get better female ratios, thats why i stated it that way..bc im sure im not the only one wanting to know this info on how to get rid of them pesky males...so plants can see?? so does that mean if i crowd a bunch of pollinated mothers this would affect the predisposition or say if i have seedless females crowded around one pollinated female would that change the predisposition ratios??...i might be thinking to restricted here as im only thinking of the parent plants and how you can affect them to make a better F/M ratio...
PS FDD i laughed my head off at that yellow button thing

Here's another... what if a female plant is pollinated by more than one male? Would this maybe help send the signal that there's too many males in the environment?

As most breeders tend to control their plants breeding habits, this could lead the plant to believe more males are needed. hence the rise in males in various seedbanks seeds.

SmokeUmPipe said:

No im very optimistic that something can be found out that will help all growers get better female ratios, thats why i stated it that way..bc im sure im not the only one wanting to know this info on how to get rid of them pesky males...so plants can see?? so does that mean if i crowd a bunch of pollinated mothers this would affect the predisposition or say if i have seedless females crowded around one pollinated female would that change the predisposition ratios??...i might be thinking to restricted here as im only thinking of the parent plants and how you can affect them to make a better F/M ratio...
PS FDD i laughed my head off at that yellow button thing

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You need a specific type of light to make them see. Two forms of light are reflected off cannabis. One is green, but this isn't the one they use to see with. They use infra red. They use this reflected part of the spectrum to guage how much competition they have for light, water etc. Maybe, the males and females give off a signature that they each recognise...

I would think if i pollinated 1 female plant with say 3 or 4 different males maybe even from different strains all together it would do as you said and alert the mother to the various males thus making it react and maybe produce more female seeds to even out the masses..but i could see how there might be a downfall to it..bc the mother would try to even out the ratios but what really happend is you tricked it into producing more females so next grow around it might see all the females and want to even it out the other way and youd get a bunch of males...so would you only keep every other breeding in stock or would you try to trick it over and over??

skunkushybrid said:

You need a specific type of light to make them see. Two forms of light are reflected off cannabis. One is green, but this isn't the one they use to see with. They use infra red. They use this reflected part of the spectrum to guage how much competition they have for light, water etc. Maybe, the males and females give off a signature that they each recognise...

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you mean a specific type other than say a MH or HPS?? so what if the signature is just a specific wave length that each plant gender gives off..iff you utilized that wave length and put it in the groww room in abundace would this trick all your plants into thinking theres alot of males and it needs to produce more females

SmokeUmPipe said:

I would think if i pollinated 1 female plant with say 3 or 4 different males maybe even from different strains all together it would do as you said and alert the mother to the various males thus making it react and maybe produce more female seeds to even out the masses..but i could see how there might be a downfall to it..bc the mother would try to even out the ratios but what really happend is you tricked it into producing more females so next grow around it might see all the females and want to even it out the other way and youd get a bunch of males...so would you only keep every other breeding in stock or would you try to trick it over and over??

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This information should sit more in the mind of a breeder. If they send the mostly fem seeds out. You get a nice bunch of fem's to pick a mom from... and clone. Get bored, buy a new pack of seeds safe in the knowledge that the chances are you will get a good fem ratio.

Know why a man's bell end is hook shaped on one side?

To scrape out another man's sperm.

How does cannabis react? I mean, even if it's by multiple males of the same strain? Does she reject dna, or doesn't it matter?

skunkushybrid said:

Know why a man's bell end is hook shaped on one side?

To scrape out another man's sperm.

How does cannabis react? I mean, even if it's by multiple males of the same strain? Does she reject dna, or doesn't it matter?

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the info we retain from sex ed.....hahahahah

SmokeUmPipe said:

you mean a specific type other than say a MH or HPS?? so what if the signature is just a specific wave length that each plant gender gives off..iff you utilized that wave length and put it in the groww room in abundace would this trick all your plants into thinking theres alot of males and it needs to produce more females

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Possible, I feel... who knows?This is my point, i search and search the web looking for answers to my questions. They aren't there, so it's up to all of us to find the truth. To do any type of test, you must have sound reasoning behind it.

skunkushybrid said:

Know why a man's bell end is hook shaped on one side?

To scrape out another man's sperm.

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Why is it that my mind always has to picture things

"How does cannabis react?"

I think this is the question of the day

absolutly skunk i believe processing thoughts an ideas and putting forth to find new things is great but eventually logic and reasoning will lead to a dead end and experiments will ahve to be done to further discussion

Yes... hopefully they will lead to that dead end. Things need to be expounded upon for things to move forward, or to finally find that 'dead end'. The experiment first needs to be figured out.<BR><BR>

I will experiment, I just need to find the dead ends.

fdd2blk said:

when considering bag seed:

i would assume a lot of bag seed comes from females that produce 1 or 2 male flowers. i see this indoors a lot. these are the one or two seeds found in an ounce of weed. since there are only one or two we can assume that there was no male present. if this were the case wouldn't most bagseed be feminized. if femminized seeds come from female pollen this should hold true.


so my question is: Is bagseed more predispositioned to be female?


for the record; 80% of my seed grows are from bagseed. i would say i have had about 75% females over the last 4 years.

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i think you just hit the nail right on the head here. unless its schwag.lol

kochab said:

i think you just hit the nail right on the head here. unless its schwag.lol

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most of what i grow is schwag.

Im in the middle of my first grow, 8 plants 24/0. They were heat stressed at the begining, nute burned, and mag def. before i got everything worked out. I ended up with 1 male, 2 hermi, and 5 female. If If 24/0 and stress causes males I can't believe I got 1 female much less 5.

fdd2blk said:

i've never physically seen it happen. i've seen "true" hermies. male on one side female on the other. i've seen 1 or 2 single male flowers on a finishing female. but i have NEVER seen a plant "reverse" sex. what exactly is this?

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seeds are predisposed. i think there may be some things that will cause a shift one way or another, but it is speculation in my eyes still.

if you put two plants (not sexed) in the same pot (from seed, started separate...) and use the seed chart.....

you'll be amazed to find a male and a female. i'd say i guarantee this to happen, but i'm not to that point yet. so far, everytime i've tried this i've gotten a male and a female, as if they know they're together and have to make babies for the next season. so far i've done this seven times and every time, i get a male and a female. if i pull the male, he reverses to full female in two weeks or less.

i've only had males reverse, and stop producing pods and start popping pistils everywhere.

as a matter of fact, i let the mtf male self, to see if i could produce "masculinized seeds". he reversed after week five of flower. (oh, i've only seen reversal in flower; i'd think it would be impossible to tell in veg )

i guess we'll see in a few months

kindprincess said:

seeds are predisposed. i think there may be some things that will cause a shift one way or another, but it is speculation in my eyes still.

if you put two plants (not sexed) in the same pot (from seed, started separate...) and use the seed chart.....

you'll be amazed to find a male and a female. i'd say i guarantee this to happen, but i'm not to that point yet. so far, everytime i've tried this i've gotten a male and a female, as if they know they're together and have to make babies for the next season. so far i've done this seven times and every time, i get a male and a female. if i pull the male, he reverses to full female in two weeks or less.

i've only had males reverse, and stop producing pods and start popping pistils everywhere.

as a matter of fact, i let the mtf male self, to see if i could produce "masculinized seeds". he reversed after week five of flower. (oh, i've only seen reversal in flower; i'd think it would be impossible to tell in veg )

i guess we'll see in a few months

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My first grow I placed 2 plants in every container. There were 4 containers and each had 2 plants in them. 2 of those containers had 2 females, 1 container had 1 male one female, and the last had 2 males.

kindprincess said:

if you put two plants (not sexed) in the same pot (from seed, started separate...) and use the seed chart.....

you'll be amazed to find a male and a female. i'd say i guarantee this to happen, but i'm not to that point yet. so far, everytime i've tried this i've gotten a male and a female, as if they know they're together and have to make babies for the next season. so far i've done this seven times and every time, i get a male and a female.

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This is very interesting, and something (although a little off subject) is something I have been putting a bit of thought into. This has been often remarked upon not just by cannabis growers but by gardeners in general. Can plants see?

I typed that into google a few months ago and got the response that yes they can, and they do this by using far red, not infra red as i first assumed, but far red light. Males will usually grow taller.

Although it is also said that they use the light to judge the competition they have for light, water, and resources. So if this statement is complete then it makes no sense that they would be able to distinguish one life-form from another, so a female wouldn't be able to tell that the taller, skinnier plant next to it was a male cannabis plant. Yet it wouldn't need to... In nature cannabis is territorial, just like everything else. Cannabis will take over an area and keep spreading untill other wild plant-life stop it. So the chances are that the taller plant next to the female will be a male.

I'm not sure though if this can be done with just two seeds where one will always turn out one way or the other. I feel the reason this works for you KP is because they are your seeds, and you have a very good 50/50 average. I honestly feel that the plants past environment is passed on to every seed generation. This will include, i believe, the past male/fem ratio as far as any particular female is aware.

This is a reason I am getting into breeding myself now. I think it will be fun to play around with genetics... maybe. Also I'll have my own seed.

this thread was a total waste of time coz we still dont know one way or the other!
skunk seems to think hes right about everything and if anyone has a difference of opinion he attacks um and tries to prove there wrong or hes right eventhough he cant prove it!hes obviously a control freak who probably beats his girl if she dont do as shes told.all i know is im growing 10 plants and atleast 4 better be female,,,,,,,