Seedling males dumping pollen already?

Had an outdoor plant get pollinated by someone else's male, I collected the seeds and wanted to find out what the result was. A number of males developed and this morning one had some pods open. I moved the cup it was in over to get a better picture of it (didn't help) and it dumped a powder into my tray. I am guessing it was pollen but I have the plant's on 16/8 and they barely have fully formed leaves, not even a month old. Is this viable pollen? I hope not.

Most likely viable pollen. The plants are starving for light so just doing anything they can to reproduce. Females will show sexual maturity and produce calyx/pistils but not actually flower until you flip. Males just spray their jizz and never stop as soon as the first few sacks appear. Spray the area down with water to kill the pollen.

You would think they are starved for light but I had the leaves praying than I raise the lights up higher. The males shot up like crazy and the females (I am guessing as they do not have pollen sacks) are half the size. I weeded out the males, I was not sure if I should keep the pollen as I don't know who the daddy was, If I need so some day I will just pop a few more seeds and get some. The girls I will grow out, I just did not know a male will produce pollen in a month and with 16/8 for light.

printer said:

You would think they are starved for light but I had the leaves praying than I raise the lights up higher. The males shot up like crazy and the females (I am guessing as they do not have pollen sacks) are half the size. I weeded out the males, I was not sure if I should keep the pollen as I don't know who the daddy was, If I need so some day I will just pop a few more seeds and get some. The girls I will grow out, I just did not know a male will produce pollen in a month and with 16/8 for light.

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Yeah they produce pollen right away. No need to "flower"

Well that will have be more careful in the future. For a size comparison, the 'girls' are about the height of the lower leaves, four sets of leaves. I don't know what good the males spreading their stuff in nature this early on is, I can't remember exactly but I doubt these are a month old. Mind you they did sprout in two days.

So I popped a bunch more seeds, the females are shorter than the males. I was going to save the pollen from a male but am unsure which to choose. As you can see there are a few that are sprouting like a teenage kid, one is kind of the runt of the bunch. Normally you would want the pollen from the Alpha of the bunch to make seeds from, or do you? If I use the runt instead it might make for more compact plants? I am new to this so I am guessing. Or using the runt is a bad idea?

And speaking of the seeds from the outdoor plant, the males went into pollen production before the plants had more than a half dozen leaves on them. I thought that strange as the females were in no way ready to receive the pollen, nature looks like it is getting it wrong this time. But today I see some of the females of these outdoor seeds throwing up pistils. But the plants are only 6-8" tall and I have them on a 16/8 light cycle. I would have thought they would remain in veg. And not just one plant but four of them.



So I am guessing I should keep the lights on them for 24 hours. They are too small to even produce popcorn buds. I want to grow them out big enough to see what a full size plant would produce. Learning weird shit every day it seems.

Plants are starved for light. Also looks like a possible Phosphorus Deficiency.

printer said:

And speaking of the seeds from the outdoor plant, the males went into pollen production before the plants had more than a half dozen leaves on them. I thought that strange as the females were in no way ready to receive the pollen, nature looks like it is getting it wrong this time. But today I see some of the females of these outdoor seeds throwing up pistils. But the plants are only 6-8" tall and I have them on a 16/8 light cycle. I would have thought they would remain in veg. And not just one plant but four of them.

So I am guessing I should keep the lights on them for 24 hours. They are too small to even produce popcorn buds. I want to grow them out big enough to see what a full size plant would produce. Learning weird shit every day it seems.

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Those leaf patterns of 3 fingers come from ruderalis genetics. F1s from 1 photo and 1 auto are typically photo..... but I would guess your plant got pollinated by an auto and that’s why the babies are are flowering not based on photoperiod. I also might be totally wrong, but that is my best guess.

printer said:

So I popped a bunch more seeds, the females are shorter than the males. I was going to save the pollen from a male but am unsure which to choose. As you can see there are a few that are sprouting like a teenage kid, one is kind of the runt of the bunch. Normally you would want the pollen from the Alpha of the bunch to make seeds from, or do you? If I use the runt instead it might make for more compact plants? I am new to this so I am guessing. Or using the runt is a bad idea?

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Those are all lacking light and probably food. You can tell by the super long stretch and internodal gap.

What are they growing under? Windowsill?

Whatever light you are using is way too far away from your plants and your roots are gonna get fucked in those clear cups if your plant ever does start to grow properly. But your roots ain't doing shit because your plants are spending their energy on trying to find the light. Double cup those into an opaque cup, make sure you have drainage in them as well. Your cotyledon leaves are shriveled and yellow, so your plants stored energy is done and now it is looking for nutes in your soil. You have alot going on and should not be worried about pollenating. Hell, the more I look at these pics, the more I am thinking just start over after you do some basic research.

The males stretched double what the females did. Once they dropped their pollen I killed them off. I collected the pollen just in case some of the females did turn into something worthwhile. I had the lights closer but the plant leaves did the praying thing which I read was a sign of too much light. But with all the information out there (and if it is on the internet it must be true) I could be wrong about that one. After I put the lights higher they flattened out. The females were transferred into regular pots once I saw roots hitting the bottom of the cup.



They are being watered with regular strength General Hydroponics MaxiGro. Not knowing the roots of where the mom and pop came from (the female was suppose to be a White Widow freebee but others said it looked more like a Blueberry strain, dad a mystery) I had no idea what to expect from these. I could restart the seeds again but my clear cups have a set of seeds with a different mom in them right now (same darn fly by night dad) and my cloning tray is kind of full.

Growing definitely is a learning experience. I am just growing these because I am curious at what they might turn out to be. A few false starts are not a big deal. I have grown others, not to say I did not have any problems. I have had some luck though.

Maybe I should be adding nutrients to the coco before I stick the sprout in? I don't know. Here is the next bunch, same father (I presume) but different strain mother. They are pretty high out of the cups as it is, not sure if they will develop like the others. I have been turning out the light for 7-8 hours, maybe I need to leave the lights on for 24? I used to before (not using these seeds) and did not have the initial stretch. Maybe it is the coco? I used Jiffy plugs back then. Mind you once the root is out of the plug then it is in the soil.



I did use soil back then. But again, a different strain.

Probably herm. Never grow mystery seeds.

Onextremebuzz said:

Probably herm. Never grow mystery seeds.

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No sense of adventure?

printer said:

No sense of adventure?

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No waste of resources for this guy

They for sure should have nutes in coco right from the start. What else are they going to eat? I grow in soilless and water in nutes before even putting a seed or a fresh cutting in it.

Those suckers look like ditchweed or some hemp invasion and not something I would want to add to my gene pool but we all have different goals.

When I see my plants praying I take it as a good sign that they are happy and reaching for the sun!

I recycled the coco from previous grows so I figured there might be something in it for the plants to munch on. Mind you that was nutes for flower, never thought of that. I gave them 1/2 strength after the cotyledon leaves opened up. I'll try feeding full strength from the start. I don't plan on mixing genetics with my other plants, just curious what is in the neighborhood. I was hoping to do another outside grow this summer and now I am concerned.

printer said:

Maybe I should be adding nutrients to the coco before I stick the sprout in? I don't know. Here is the next bunch, same father (I presume) but different strain mother. They are pretty high out of the cups as it is, not sure if they will develop like the others. I have been turning out the light for 7-8 hours, maybe I need to leave the lights on for 24? I used to before (not using these seeds) and did not have the initial stretch. Maybe it is the coco? I used Jiffy plugs back then. Mind you once the root is out of the plug then it is in the soil.

I did use soil back then. But again, a different strain.

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Stretch is usually lack of light. Seedlings don't need food even in coco, usually tap water (with Ca/Mg) has everything they need for awhile.

OldMedUser said:

They for sure should have nutes in coco right from the start. What else are they going to eat? I grow in soilless and water in nutes before even putting a seed or a fresh cutting in it.

Those suckers look like ditchweed or some hemp invasion and not something I would want to add to my gene pool but we all have different goals.

When I see my plants praying I take it as a good sign that they are happy and reaching for the sun!

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My seedlings have been fine in coco with just tap water. The Cotyledons are their food source for nutrients for their very early growth until they have the leaf support for transition to photosynthesis. If you can feed without burn, that works too. I admit I'm a bit lazy to make a third, seedling, reservoir