Seedlings Leaves Look Like Cabbage Leaves

rockso15

rockso15

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2 week old seedlings started to look bit droopy and like cabbage leaves. I've sprayed them 3 days with NeemAzal cause Ive seen some aphids in my flowering room and tripped out and sprayed these seedlings in the veg tent.only other thing Ive done is water them with minute amount of Plagron Terra Grow and I can understand the dark green due to nitrogen, but these deformed cabbage looking leaves are making me trip out, I dunno if its the strain or its time to transplant, but I havent overwatered them, only under watered here and there, only other thing I can think of is lack of fresh air, Ive moved the tent to another room and am yet to connect vent to the tent, but Ive had 2week old seedling in similar conditions and never seen leaves like this
 

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Johnny15

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rockso15 said:
2 week old seedlings started to look bit droopy and like cabbage leaves. I've sprayed them 3 days with NeemAzal cause Ive seen some aphids in my flowering room and tripped out and sprayed these seedlings in the veg tent.only other thing Ive done is water them with minute amount of Plagron Terra Grow and I can understand the dark green due to nitrogen, but these deformed cabbage looking leaves are making me trip out, I dunno if its the strain or its time to transplant, but I havent overwatered them, only under watered here and there, only other thing I can think of is lack of fresh air, Ive moved the tent to another room and am yet to connect vent to the tent, but Ive had 2week old seedling in similar conditions and never seen leaves like this
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Cabbage? Looks like weed to me.
 
rockso15

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Johnny15 said:
Cabbage? Looks like weed to me.
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I know it looks like weed but think in terms of russian kale cabbage leaves, dark green and not straight but crooked all around. I mean they are pretty big for 2 weeks and seemed to be perfectly healthy until they growth spurted in 2 days into this shape, I dunno if I am.just tripping out, maybe the strain maybe f up the ph with neem azal I dunno
 
rockso15

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Rsawr said:
They look a little overwatered to me. Do those cups have drain holes?
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Dixies have drain holes but not overwatered by a long shot, in fact I under watered them and soaked them 2 days ago with no runout so I dont know, if I did overwater I will know in few days, but its funny, no shock signs, they are growing like crazy but still look funny too me
 
Rsawr

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rockso15 said:
Dixies have drain holes but not overwatered by a long shot, in fact I under watered them and soaked them 2 days ago with no runout so I dont know, if I did overwater I will know in few days, but its funny, no shock signs, they are growing like crazy but still look funny too me
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If you soaked them, you probably overwatered them. Under and overwatering refer to the amount of water used conpared to what the plant can use, not from where you supply the water in the pot. When was the last time you watered them prior to 2 days ago? Plants that size probably need watered once a week...
 
Rsawr

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rockso15 said:
Cuz I sprayed them moment before the pic, but b4 that they were.dry, I always spray them daily fo add weighr for stronger stem
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Use air movement to strengthen stems, not spraying extra water. A fan gently moving the plants around will strengthen your stems without increasing your chances of PM or overwatering
 
rockso15

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Rsawr said:
If you soaked them, you probably overwatered them. Under and overwatering refer to the amount of water used conpared to what the plant can use, not from where you supply the water in the pot. When was the last time you watered them prior to 2 days ago? Plants that size probably need watered once a week...
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I soaked them cuz i actually havent watered at all seince germ, only sprayed the top soil failry cuz this usually is enough for my seedlings but Ive seen them extra dry 2 days ago and soaked them for the first time, i dunno maybe i did overwatered them, been busy with lots of stulff lately so maybe over done it
 
rockso15

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Rsawr said:
Use air movement to strengthen stems, not spraying extra water. A fan gently moving the plants around will strengthen your stems without increasing your chances of PM or overwatering
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I use both spraying and fan movement, makes seedlings stem really strong, even the weaker ones that falled behind
 
MickFoster

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Lack of oxygen in the root zone causes drooping and slow growth.
They're not pretty big for 2 weeks and growing like crazy like you claim.
This is 2 weeks from sprout for a comparison.
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Welcome to RIU and good luck.
 
rockso15

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MickFoster said:
Lack of oxygen in the root zone causes drooping and slow growth.
They're not pretty big for 2 weeks and growing like crazy like you claim.
This is 2 weeks from sprout for a comparison.
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Welcome to RIU and good luck.
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Lack of oxygen could very well be doing this as I've said this veg tent doesnt have fresh air intake yet' it just has ambient passive draft in a room that has no windows. Yesterday I took vent-out from flowering room and hooked the vent pipe and placed it in this veg tent and after 10 hours they are looking better (even tho I watered them again) so I dont think it was over water but lack of oxygen like you said' fhanks for the input and the welcome bro', I am happy to learn.

Ps do you think recirculating air from the flowering room is valid? no need to drill another hole to bring the fresh aie from outside right?
 
MickFoster

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rockso15 said:
Lack of oxygen could very well be doing this as I've said this veg tent doesnt have fresh air intake yet' it just has ambient passive draft in a room that has no windows. Yesterday I took vent-out from flowering room and hooked the vent pipe and placed it in this veg tent and after 10 hours they are looking better (even tho I watered them again) so I dont think it was over water but lack of oxygen like you said' fhanks for the input and the welcome bro', I am happy to learn.

Ps do you think recirculating air from the flowering room is valid? no need to drill another hole to bring the fresh aie from outside right?
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Fresh air in your tent has nothing to do with oxygen in the root zone. Over watering and dense soil is the major cause of lack of oxygen. Adding more Perlite will help.......it doesn't look like you have much. Also plenty of drain holes.
 
Coldnasty

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rockso15 said:
2 week old seedlings started to look bit droopy and like cabbage leaves. I've sprayed them 3 days with NeemAzal cause Ive seen some aphids in my flowering room and tripped out and sprayed these seedlings in the veg tent.only other thing Ive done is water them with minute amount of Plagron Terra Grow and I can understand the dark green due to nitrogen, but these deformed cabbage looking leaves are making me trip out, I dunno if its the strain or its time to transplant, but I havent overwatered them, only under watered here and there, only other thing I can think of is lack of fresh air, Ive moved the tent to another room and am yet to connect vent to the tent, but Ive had 2week old seedling in similar conditions and never seen leaves like this
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Looks normal to me
 
rockso15

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MickFoster said:
Fresh air in your tent has nothing to do with oxygen in the root zone. Over watering and dense soil is the major cause of lack of oxygen. Adding more Perlite will help.......it doesn't look like you have much. Also plenty of drain holes.
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I understand, but they di look more lively just 12h after adding fresh air to the tent, I am using light mix already, do you think in the future is bet to add more perlite even tho it is commercial lighr mix?
 
warble

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Perhaps oxegenating, (if that is a word) your water before you water them could bring some fresh O2 to the root zone. I bubble my water with an aquarium air pump, at least half an hour.
 
rockso15

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MickFoster said:
I like 30% Perlite........it makes it very airy, which is what you want.
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Yeah I fhink I am done with premade mixes, ypu are right about perlite now when I look at it, it doesnt seem to have 30% perlite, I'll transplant them to a half gallon airpots tonight and they will aerate the roots proper, will add perlite and vermiculite to the end mix
 
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