Seeds in outdoor bud. Can they be used?

BBQtoast

BBQtoast

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LunarVera said:
If someone knows more information about this let me know of any anectodal studies please.
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Any selfed generation or female female cross is always femenized/female.

There is only one DNA, it is the same that is passed on through any method, reversed, selfed and stressed.

All plants are Herms, it is the action of stress that you are seeing not a genetic inheritance or breedable trait.

50 years breeding, if we could breed for Herms we wouldn't still have the problem in all strains. The fact we are talking about it still is the only proof you need that all the above is true.
 
Macncheesehaze

Macncheesehaze

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BBQtoast said:
Any selfed generation or female female cross is always femenized/female.

There is only one DNA, it is the same that is passed on through any method, reversed, selfed and stressed.

All plants are Herms, it is the action of stress that you are seeing not a genetic inheritance or breedable trait.

50 years breeding, if we could breed for Herms we wouldn't still have the problem in all strains. The fact we are talking about it still is the only proof you need that all the above is true.
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You can breed out hermie traits for sure. That’s what an f6 would be. A stable strain which pretty much all the plants structure will be the same. Most people would rather have f1s tho because you have a better chance of finding one closer to the original cut. When you get an F6 it might be more stable but your getting what that breeder decided was the trait they wanted and not necessarily the closet to the original.
 
BBQtoast

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Macncheesehaze said:
You can breed out hermie traits for sure. That’s what an f6 would be. A stable strain which pretty much all the plants structure will be the same. Most people would rather have f1s tho because you have a better chance of finding one closer to the original cut. When you get an F6 it might be more stable but your getting what that breeder decided was the trait they wanted and not necessarily the closet to the original.
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F6 stable does not describe Hermies, you and others are making things up.
 
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BBQtoast said:
Any selfed generation or female female cross is always femenized/female.

There is only one DNA, it is the same that is passed on through any method, reversed, selfed and stressed.

All plants are Herms, it is the action of stress that you are seeing not a genetic inheritance or breedable trait.

50 years breeding, if we could breed for Herms we wouldn't still have the problem in all strains. The fact we are talking about it still is the only proof you need that all the above is true.
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Thank you for clarifying, I stand corrected! Now I know for future endeavours.
 
Macncheesehaze

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BBQtoast said:
F6 stable does not describe Hermies, you and others are making things up.
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What lol I wasn’t describing a hermie I was describing eliminating the hermie gene. A plant that hermied is absolutely not passing on all female off springs. If that’s what you are saying then you sir are making things up. A plant that is “selfed” through a hermie situation will have regular offspring with a good chance of being hermies themselves. A plant “selfed” through a reversal yes will have all female offspring. Yes great strains have come from crosses in this way what I said still stands. I gotta be misunderstanding what your saying or something.
 
Macncheesehaze

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And actually I’m sure if someone actually wanted hermies they could breed only hermies with other hermies and maybe idk maybe get an F6 hermie that hermed every time but honestly who tf would wanna do that :confused:
 
BBQtoast

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Macncheesehaze said:
You can breed out hermie traits for sure. That’s what an f6 would be. A stable strain
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You cannot, where the fuck are these strains? I told you f6 has nothing to do with Herms of stable non Herm strains.

Macncheesehaze said:
A plant that hermied is absolutely not passing on all female off springs.
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Hermie seed are selfed or fem fem crosses, they are all female, even new growers knew this.

Macncheesehaze said:
A plant “selfed” through a reversal yes will have all female offspring.
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Selfed or reversed same DNA there is not two separate DNAs. Glad you understand those are all female.

Macncheesehaze said:
Yes great strains have come from crosses in this way what I said still stands.
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Great strains have come from all ways, some of the finest was inbred and Hermes.

Macncheesehaze said:
And actually I’m sure if someone actually wanted hermies they could breed only hermies with other hermies and maybe idk maybe get an F6 hermie that hermed every time but honestly who tf would wanna do that :confused:
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This proves you are struggling to understand genetics. Most of what you read on Herms comes from people like you who think we can breed a Herm with a Herm and make a Herm strain or the other way around.

There are no Herm strains, there are no Herm free strains.
 
Macncheesehaze

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you are all the way wrong and I’m not going to argue with you. Yes you can breed hermie out of or into a plant. How could you not??? I have 1000 hermie sour d auto seeds want em? Cuz I don’t, wanna know why??? Because the offspring are NOT FEMALE. How long have you been growing bro? It makes no sense to say Hermès make only females. You’ve never read that or experienced that. Stop giving bad info.
 
Macncheesehaze

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I don’t even see a single plant pic that you’ve posted just a whole bunch of nonsense. Do you even grow? Or do you just talk about xxyxxyxxyxyxyxyyyxxx?
 
shroomhaze

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Macncheesehaze said:
you are all the way wrong and I’m not going to argue with you. Yes you can breed hermie out of or into a plant. How could you not??? I have 1000 hermie sour d auto seeds want em? Cuz I don’t, wanna know why??? Because the offspring are NOT FEMALE. How long have you been growing bro? It makes no sense to say Hermès make only females. You’ve never read that or experienced that. Stop giving bad info.
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If a herm produces its own seeds then it will only have female chromosomes. Assuming the herm was female before becoming herm which is im sure always the case. Its simple biology we learn in highschool/middle school
Im sorry to say that making a seed without the possibility of it turning hermie is impossible.
 
Macncheesehaze

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shroomhaze said:
If a herm produces its own seeds then it will only have female chromosomes. Assuming the herm was female before becoming herm which is im sure always the case. Its simple biology we learn in highschool/middle school
Im sorry to say that making a seed without the possibility of it turning hermie is impossible.
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Am I the only one seeing this stuff? @Budzbuddha your someone here who’s knowledge I respect. Can you please tell these guys that breeding a herm WILL NOT GIVE YOU ALL FEMALE SEEDS. It never will give you all female seeds. Never. Not one time has it ever. Where you guys get this information from is beyond me.
 
shroomhaze

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Macncheesehaze said:
Am I the only one seeing this stuff? @Budzbuddha your someone here who’s knowledge I respect. Can you please tell these guys that breeding a herm WILL NOT GIVE YOU ALL FEMALE SEEDS. It never will give you all female seeds. Never. Not one time has it ever. Where you guys get this information from is beyond me.
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A female does not have male chromosomes so if it gets pollinated from a female(herm) it will not have male chromosomes, do you have negative experience while doing this? Because I have not gotten a single male when I tried only did it once tho
 
Macncheesehaze

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Actually @J.James is a super pro and might be able to shed some light on this as well. What do you think big dog? Will a hermie produce all female seeds? Hard no correct? And I will say of course with an f6 you have a chance of getting a herm if you stress it enough. But if the breeder did his job he/she stressed each generation making each next gen more stable until you have a stable stain that unless your bbq toast won’t herm since it’s already been put through all those stressors in the breeding process.
 
Macncheesehaze

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shroomhaze said:
A female does not have male chromosomes so if it gets pollinated from a female(herm) it will not have male chromosomes, do you have negative experience while doing this? Because I have not gotten a single male when I tried only did it once tho
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And how many did you pop one?? I have had whole crops lost to hermies. If you get all females from your hermed plants you are the only one in the entire world.
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Ukulele Haze

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Based on my reading, you can selectively breed out traits which lead to genetic (true) hermaphrodites And, you can also selectively breed cannabis to reduce the chances of a plant becoming a hermaphrodite due to stress.

I believe genetic hermaphrodites produce genetic hermaphrodites. Stress-induced hermaphrodites grown from feminized seed are going to produce feminized seed if self-pollinated, unless they were pollinated with a male.

My last grow was what I think to be a genetic hermaphrodite. Although it did not produce a lot, I was very pleased with the end result:

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Strain: Wonka Bars (Exotic Genetix) Type: Sativa Dom. (70 / 30) Flower Time: 60-70 Days THC level of source flower: 27% Soil: Organic PROMIX Nutrients: FoxFarm Trio, Molasses Light: "600W" Blurple, Switched to Mars Hydro TSW 2000 on Week 5 of Flower. Training: Topped Twice, LST, Defoliation...
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I am really thankful I grew this plant out. There seems to be a lot of confusion about hermies. But, I think it's mostly because growers usually avoid them like 'rona. But, I found devoting myself to growing one forced me to research it in-depth.
 
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shroomhaze

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Macncheesehaze said:
Your the only one in the world. How is that possible with thousands and thousands of growers? Millions of seeds popped and your the only one who gets all females from your herms? I got thousands of herm seeds want em?
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I dont know what to say I had hermie by accident and let it pollinate it self all seeds I poped were females no males. Do you have personal experience with this? Because you are the first person I heard this from growers that thought me told me about it, and after little research its really simple
 
Macncheesehaze

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Yes I do have experience and so does a hundred threads on here about this subject, where are you getting your info? I’ve never read what your saying anywhere. Except from people spreading bad information.
 
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