Seeds

Baxters

Well-Known Member
My advice would be to get the germination working before you try germinating your top quality seeds, most peoples problems with germinating are as follows :-
1 - starting in too bigger pot, this causes the soil to stay wet for too long and allows for mold to form (brown stem that goes either slushy or thin) this is called damping off; small pots dry out quicker and although require more frequent watering, seedlings don't need much.

2 - Not using seed compost, feed in the soil is not necessary for seedlings; also people feed seedlings too soon and with the wrong nutrients, seedlings only need a small amount of phosphorus to promote root development; Nitrogen actually inhibits root development.

3 - High power lights for seedlings, although many people have success with 400w lamps, your seedlings don't need 400 watts, a few CFL or Fluorescent lamps of cool white (6400K) color temperature is ample; the problem with 400w metal halide or sodium lights is they radiate a lot of heat, just having a thermometer in the same room is not a good enough measure of heat as this only measures the air temperature.
The problem occurs with radiated heat which is why you do the hand test (if you can hold your hand there then it's not too hot).

3 - Seedlings don't need a massive fan on them either, I don't actually have any fans on my seedlings and they do fine; having said that my seedlings are open to the air in a room with a stable temperature; people sometimes have a massive light then need a massive fan to cool the light down, this doesn't cool the radiated heat and can dry you pots out too fast.

4 - Allowing the seedling to completely dry right out; never let the seedling dry right out because it will die, so if your seedlings will be unattended for a few days then you need to either get someone to look after them for you, or adopt other moisture control strategies.

5 - Allowing them to get too cold; don't let your seedlings get too cold during lights out period, if your seedlings get cold at night then not only does it slow down the metabolic rate of your seedlings, but also puts them in danger of being attacked by mold.

Some things you can do to help:-

Some people have success with 24 hour lighting however studies have shown that root development is best under an 18 hour on / 6 hour off light cycle.

If you wish to improve the production of roots in your seedlings, then there are other products which can help, like mycorrhizal fungi but if you use an organic seed compost then you shouldn't need this product, however there are other additives you can use like root stimulators that contain IBA (Indole-3 butyric Acid) and do improve root development.

Also before you plant your expensive seeds you would be wise to learn how to clone which will allow you to keep your expensive strain for as long as you can keep cloning; remember although your seeds seem expensive to you, what you're really paying for is the strain, and if you can keep the strain for ten years and get a thousand clones from it, then the cost seems like a small amount in the grand scheme of things.
 

spazz23

New Member
Alright I just planted 7 more Germinated seedlings. 5 in my rapid root medium more geared towards soil but looks like rockwool. Also I planted two straight into a solo cup (seperately). They are placed in my small pre transfer grow area under a 24" florescent light. Everything but my solo cups are in the humidity dome (no heat mat dont feel I need it).

Ok so now I dont use a fan and never have. The temp is warm and not to hot and I dont let the temp dip down or get to warm. I never have a problem with germination that is a piece of cake. My Ph levels are fine,soil fine, I dont use harsh water and also I dont give them to much light. I dont add nutes or anything because its to soon. I am doing everything perfect thats why I am so mind boggled on what the heck is going on.

The dilemma is when they are planted after germination its like they just die like dead before they are even planted. Although when ive dug them back up the taproot is still nice and white and some white with almost a transparent tip on the end of it? I am not sure what the issue could be at this point.
 

iblazetoomuch

Active Member
Yeah I would let them sit, your pHing water to 6.4-6.5? Rockwool? Probably not similar to my problem, my taproots wouldn't still be present and white, they would decay/dissolve, although some experienced "growers" might disagree that this could happen because they r pro planters like peanuts.

I'd personally just be a little more patient, whats the longest you waited? What soil were you using btw? That might help for the more experienced growers to throw some ideas your way, I'm pretty much just shooting in the dark. I tried searching your last thread with setup to link here for other users but the "view forum posts" is broken apparently, lol.


Nvm I found her through googs,

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/665592-new-temporary-grow-set-up.html

What soil was it again? I didn't see it mentioned or I missed it.
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
I would spend the money if I knew id get at least a couple good plants out of them. My problem is over the course of the last few weeks being new to growing ive tried just about everything with these bag seeds and I can get them to germ but have yet to get one to sprout. So I was thinking that maybe id have better results with good seeds but, god forbid I still had no luck id be furious.

I am starting to think I have no business trying soil anymore and that I should just give this bubble boy single shot DWC a try.. I have been mind boggled

You are new and want to try DWC? Soil is much easier. You can mix your soil, let it cook for 3 weeks and then plant a seed. All you have to do is add water, no nutes, no bullshit.

I hated DWC, it is a pain in the ass.

People really over think seed germination. I used to put them in paper towels and leave them on my router until they sprouted.
Recently I have just dropped seeds in the soil and I have had no problems.

Once you get a certain level of growing expertise, you should consider doing a fem seed crop. You can produce those $14 seeds for really cheap. I have thousands of feminized seeds.
 

spazz23

New Member
Yeah I would let them sit, your pHing water to 6.4-6.5? Rockwool? Probably not similar to my problem, my taproots wouldn't still be present and white, they would decay/dissolve, although some experienced "growers" might disagree that this could happen because they r pro planters like peanuts.

I'd personally just be a little more patient, whats the longest you waited? What soil were you using btw? That might help for the more experienced growers to throw some ideas your way, I'm pretty much just shooting in the dark. I tried searching your last thread with setup to link here for other users but the "view forum posts" is broken apparently, lol.


Nvm I found her through googs,

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/665592-new-temporary-grow-set-up.html

What soil was it again? I didn't see it mentioned or I missed it.
The Soil is GardenScape it is a basic all purpose blend of mineral soil,compost and perlite. I am patiently waiting for my local shop to get the fox farms ocean forest soil next week ehh.
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
https://www.rollitup.org/organics/580027-organic-growing-made-easy-fox.html

-1.5 cubic feet Fox Farm Ocean Forest
-38 cups Wiggle Worms Earthworm Casting (1-0-0)
-10 cups Perlite(may add more eventually)
-11 tsp Rooters Mycorrhizae
*Soil Base
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-1.5 cups Indonesian Hi-P Bat Guano (.5-13-.2)
-1.5 cups Algamin Kelp Meal (1-0-2)
-1.5 cups Espoma Tomato Tone (3-4-6)
*Nutritional Amendments
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-1.5 cups Azomite(used as a rock dust)
-0.5 cup Espoma Green sand
-1.25cups Hi-Cal Lime
*Mineral Amendments

This soil mix will take you from seed to buds only adding water.
You can supplement with some teas if you want. They are so easy top make I use teas on my vegetable garden.
 

spazz23

New Member
Im gonna let what I got sit in the grow space until next sunday and if I dont have anything going by then ill have to start from scratch with new soil, cups etc.
 

Baxters

Well-Known Member
Alright I just planted 7 more Germinated seedlings. 5 in my rapid root medium more geared towards soil but looks like rockwool. Also I planted two straight into a solo cup (seperately). They are placed in my small pre transfer grow area under a 24" florescent light. Everything but my solo cups are in the humidity dome (no heat mat dont feel I need it).

Ok so now I dont use a fan and never have. The temp is warm and not to hot and I dont let the temp dip down or get to warm. I never have a problem with germination that is a piece of cake. My Ph levels are fine,soil fine, I dont use harsh water and also I dont give them to much light. I dont add nutes or anything because its to soon. I am doing everything perfect thats why I am so mind boggled on what the heck is going on.

The dilemma is when they are planted after germination its like they just die like dead before they are even planted. Although when ive dug them back up the taproot is still nice and white and some white with almost a transparent tip on the end of it? I am not sure what the issue could be at this point.
The humidity dome is likely to invite mold, it's not needed for seedlings; I only use them when cloning and would advise against it for starting seeds.

It's never a good idea to poke around looking for the seed as the tap root is so easy to damage, you could be planting too deep, I plant my seeds about 5mm deep with the pointed end up.

You may also just have immature or unviable seeds; if your cotyledons are white then this may be the case, oh and never be tempted to pull the seed casing off, let it fall off naturally
 
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