Seedy Weed

tip top toker

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I've grown a cut of cheese almost exclusively since i started growing. Now that it's being packed down for a bit i did a seed run just to have some form of the genetics in storage. Other than having to remove seeds from the bud, there was no difference that i could tell, i got just as high and enjoyed the smoke just as much.
 

GunRunner

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Man I wasn't even born in the 70's so I'm gonna go with proven scientific facts: THC in today's plants is way higher then back in the days.

Though I'm gonna keep an open mind and add that I bet they smoked fan leaves back then so I would guess that the levels of THC they recorded back then was the average from the whole of the plant (buds + fan leaves + popcorn) minus the main stem :P I think today people only care about the qualities of the main big buds, so naturally that's where the highest concentrations of THC are found in the plant.
 

Enzogrowspot

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I've grown a cut of cheese almost exclusively since i started growing. Now that it's being packed down for a bit i did a seed run just to have some form of the genetics in storage. Other than having to remove seeds from the bud, there was no difference that i could tell, i got just as high and enjoyed the smoke just as much.
I agree, I see no difference in the smoke but the seeds do take up bud space so it lessens your yield, not a connoisseur or anything just my thoughts bongsmilie
 

del66666

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Man I wasn't even born in the 70's so I'm gonna go with proven scientific facts: THC in today's plants is way higher then back in the days.

Though I'm gonna keep an open mind and add that I bet they smoked fan leaves back then so I would guess that the levels of THC they recorded back then was the average from the whole of the plant (buds + fan leaves + popcorn) minus the main stem :P I think today people only care about the qualities of the main big buds, so naturally that's where the highest concentrations of THC are found in the plant.
lol you think there wasnt good weed back in the 70s...............governments preach that its stronger now cause then they can say it causes mental health problems and should stay criminal....and give us tougher senteces.......
 

tip top toker

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Oh, it certainly lessens your yields, i'll freely admit i was quite taken aback by how much is lost having never fully pollinated a flower room before. They might only weigh in at something like 0.025g a piece, but at 5000+ that's over 13 ounces of seeds. No wonder my jars emptied in the blink of an eye :D
 

GunRunner

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lol you think there wasnt good weed back in the 70s...............governments preach that its stronger now cause then they can say it causes mental health problems and should stay criminal....and give us tougher senteces.......
Yeah I think that's also a fact.
 

potpimp

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Please don't tell me anyone here actually believes a single fucking word that the government says. Say it ain't so!
 

Sunbiz1

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Man I wasn't even born in the 70's so I'm gonna go with proven scientific facts: THC in today's plants is way higher then back in the days.

Though I'm gonna keep an open mind and add that I bet they smoked fan leaves back then so I would guess that the levels of THC they recorded back then was the average from the whole of the plant (buds + fan leaves + popcorn) minus the main stem :P I think today people only care about the qualities of the main big buds, so naturally that's where the highest concentrations of THC are found in the plant.
The Panama red bud I bought in the early 80's I would put up against any these days. That shit packed a punch even modern kush doesn't provide.
 

Jogro

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A few comments:

The most potent pot I've ever had was seeded. It was "William's wonder" from 15 years ago, and I'd put it up against anything I've had before or since.

The biggest difference between seeded and unseeded is in WEIGHT. Seeds take up a huge percentage of the weight of buds, so since virtually everyone is buying and selling by weight, seeded stuff doesn't go nearly as far. On a per-plant basis, you'll get less yield of bud from seeded plants, it will take more work to de-seed for smoking, and the stuff will take up more room. So you don't want to be growing seeds for personal use or for sale. But if you take seeded weed, remove all the seeds carefully without disturbing the trichromes, and compare the bud that's left to similar unseeded weed, the seeded will still be nearly as potent as the unseeded.

In fact, I believe that famous breeder DJ short has speculated that seeded plants may actually be BETTER because their cannabinoid profiles are different, partially explaining why the stuff from the "good old days" was better. Nice theory. . .though I don't know if its true or not.

On THC content, this idea that today's plants blow away everything from 20+ years ago in terms of potency is one of those pernicious urban legends, mostly promulgated by those who want to convince you that pot is more dangerous than it was 30 years ago, or those who want to sell you seeds. Its FALSE. You can't trust the gov't numbers, and yeah, you also can't trust the numbers published by the seed-sellers. Even the honest ones are only publishing their numbers from the best samples taken at peak from the best parts of their best plants.

Here's a now ten year old article touching on some of these points:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_minute/2002/11/the_myth_of_potent_pot.html
Note that I don't think sensimilla was particularly rare 10 years ago, but the general points still hold true.

Cannabis has been selectively bred by humans for roughly 10,000 years, as long as ANY plant has been bred. During that time, of course people were breeding for maximum potency, and its probably fair to assume that the plants maximum potential potency. . .or pretty darn close. . . has been reached in many different places over the years with many different strains. Hash more potent than ANY marijuana has been readily available for literally centuries.

THC is simply NOT higher in today's plants. . or more precisely, the best plants from 30 years ago are still up there with the best stuff around right now. The big differences are that THC is measured differently today, yielding totally different numbers, and that strong weed is more generally available now..

30 years ago, it was grind up entire sample (which was unmanicured buds including low-THC seeds and fan leaves), throw into machine, and come up with percent THC as a portion of weight.

Today, its take only the best tops of the totally dried, trimmed and manicured buds, and measure the THC as a fraction of trichrome weight (not even total weight). So of course the numbers are going to be much higher when you measure this way.

My understanding is that if you take the older "classic" strains, and measure them using the same modern techniques, they hold up percentage-wise to today's "super" strains.

Next issue, is that Reagan's "war on drugs" greatly reduced the influx of cheap outdoor grown pot smuggled over the borders. With more and more people growing indoors in limited quantity and space, there has been more emphasis on improving potency. In other words, the stuff today is more potent, not because of any major genetic breakthroughs, but because nobody bothers to grow the less potent stuff any more!
 
i want somebody to do a study with todays grass stems, seeds, fan leaves just like back in the day, some real good medical shit, i meant no disrespect Pot Pimp and no i dont believe what the gov says not a gram, i was under the impression the test were done by people that study weed (smart stoner scientist) so they knew for sure that its more potent now and my dad smoked all the good shit back in the day including the thai stick ive even had that supposedly hard to trust exactly were shit comes from but some of the best shit he saids hes ever seen was some really tasty home grown now days
 

potpimp

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That would be great but I'm not sure how meaningful that would be due to the differences in how they tested it back then and today. Back then the plant was ground up, fan leaves, stems, etc, along with the buds but today they just use the core of the bud. I started a similar thread and got some great feedback and, from the consensus of old timers - and a couple of really brilliant people - I think I have this sorted out and it includes several elements. There is more to the "high" than just THC %. There is a difference between "stoned" and "high". And it may be possible that we older smokers' brains have changed somewhat. Nonetheless, the general consensus is that the bud produces just as much resin with seeds as without and it's just as good; you just don't get as much of it because the plant focuses on making seeds. That is not to say that it stops or skimps on producing the resin glans; it simply does not.
 

potpimp

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Yep. We would drop it in the bottom of a plastic bread bag, put the end over our face and spray. There are few dumber creatures than a teenage boy. I could have probably been a doctor if I had not killed so many brain cells. On second thought, had it not been for the canabinoids protecting my brain cells I probably would have lost a lot more to the stupid things like glue, bactine and acid.
 

mysunnyboy

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Yep. We would drop it in the bottom of a plastic bread bag, put the end over our face and spray. There are few dumber creatures than a teenage boy. I could have probably been a doctor if I had not killed so many brain cells. On second thought, had it not been for the canabinoids protecting my brain cells I probably would have lost a lot more to the stupid things like glue, bactine and acid.
HAHAHA that's a new one for me. my little brother used to do all that huffing stuff. i'm the one who did all the acid. i think once i tried (tried being the operative word) to count how many hits i have actually done and i think it was like 200 in a 2 year time frame. i agree with the dr part as well. but we are all the richer for our past experiences right? :peace:
 

potpimp

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Absolutely!! There are a few experiences I would not talk about, but most were great and some had the Cheech & Chong hilarity. You got me beat on the acid. I loved acid but I lived at home with my parents so I would always have to be around my parents while tripping so I didn't do as much as I would have otherwise. Also, my best friend was always like "I'm getting tired of psychedelics man; I just wanna smoke pot." So I adopted his attitude too pretty much. God we smoked a LOT of weed together!! He died of cancer about 15 years ago - WAY too young to die.
 

mysunnyboy

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*shakes head* CANCER must go. last year i lost 4 friends to pancreatic cancer alone.
i never got tired of psychs, i would love to be able to do it again some time, but i ain't gonna push my luck LOL
 

taekwondoguy

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Yea but ppl say it contains NO THC. I knew it was BS from first hand exp. I tried acapulco gold and that is fkn amazing! I got it off my Columbian friend when we were like 14. He brought a shit ton over with him! It burns yellow and is by far the smoothest ive smoked! I wouldn't fuck with thai stick. Opium is very addicting.LOL
Don't know if this has already been said , dont fell like reading thru 4 pages now but I've NEVER heard anyone say that weed with seeds has no THC, just that it is less potent which is a fact. Once a plant is pollinated it put the majority of its energy into developing seeds rather than growing and producing more trichomes.
 

Nunchukawaria

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Yup, them landraces sure where popular back in the day. I bet if you got yourself a nice sativa landrace strain like Durb and crossed it with a nice Indica landrace like affgan kush, you'd have the most vigorous hybrid on the market. As far as seed production and potency/flavor go, the answer is an affirmative yes. It tastes like shit and burns your throat and doesn't get you nearly as high. I found out the hard way with an outdoor strain I've been working with for years, Early Pearl X Skunk#1. A good trick I know is to chop back the male every time it starts new bannanas. It will live as long as the Female instead of dying right after pollinating. With this tech you can let the female bud out to almost max potential and then pollinate so you just get a few keepers here and there in your bud. With every generation the males get later and later. The best way is to collect the pollen from a different location and paintbrush it on on a calm day, this will mostly separate your bud from your seeds.There is a big difference between the slightly seedy import weed and fully pollinated weed. The slightly seedy only has certain portions that are pollinated and taste like shit vs. pure shit.
 

IC3M4L3

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ofc its gunna be weaker the planst starts producing seeds rather than buds,therin lowing the thc level?

i take seeds ut persoanlly id rather site ther fro extra couple of mins to remove them suckers and not fro growing neither,i just cant stand the taste/smell of seedy weed
 
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