self polinated seeds?

Wouldn't self polinated seeds produce identical offspring?

I found 2 in a very nice and strong bud and assume they were
self polinated; the only two I found... BUT they're both showing
very dffierent traits already.

identical? no
close to parent - yes, but probably not identical
i've done 2 grows of S1 seeds, some differences
but if you bought the bud, and aren't certain if they were S1's, you may have a free hybrid

ur chances of getting hermies out of the seed are increased when u self polinate a plant...did u find any balls or bannana looking things on ur plant??..

The original seeds came from a bud I bought on the street so I don't know for sure.
The bud was just fine, no signs of herm and went the full length, not premature..
The plants I'm growing from the 2 seeds have not been put into flowering.

and what do you mean by 'free hybrid' ?

mmad said:

The original seeds came from a bud I bought on the street so I don't know for sure.
The bud was just fine, no signs of herm and went the full length, not premature..
The plants I'm growing from the 2 seeds have not been put into flowering.

and what do you mean by 'free hybrid' ?

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just that if the pollen came from some other plant than the parent
hybrid might be too specific, possibly the pollen came from the same strain

oh okay, I get you.. wise to specify the difference.. But is it even a hybrid after its made babies with another one of the same variety?
At what point does a hybrid strain become its own thing? How many generations of baby making until a strain is homogenous?

mmad said:

oh okay, I get you.. wise to specify the difference.. But is it even a hybrid after its made babies with another one of the same variety?
At what point does a hybrid strain become its own thing? How many generations of baby making until a strain is homogenous?

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i think i've seen that it takes about 7 generations to get a reasonably uniform 'strain'
that's off the top of my head, and i'm sure it's open to argument
you don't really see that many true breeding 'strains', most current breeder stuff will not produce identical offspring

I guess this is where the land race begins!
Just made sense to me that the offspring would be identical and wanted some clarity..
I have heard the same thing about 7 generations, maybe thought there might be a faster
way using hermed seeds or S1's?

Theyt will both be famale. From what I understand this is a for of feminized seeds. I got 8 seeds out of a pound of flo and all were female and none hermed on me. I even had to move them TWICE and during the dark cycle. They were put through a lot of movement stress and fucked up photo periods for 12 hours TWICE within a week and no herm. Bout to harvest some dank ass buds off them this weekend in fact!

mmad said:

I guess this is where the land race begins!
Just made sense to me that the offspring would be identical and wanted some clarity..
I have heard the same thing about 7 generations, maybe thought there might be a faster
way using hermed seeds or S1's?

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you see back crossing mentioned a lot in the breeding forums, typically a cubing where 3 generations are each back crossed to some parent(s)
selfed plants might accelerate the process, might bring in more recessive traits that are unwelcome
that pretty much covers my limited breeding knowledge, i make a cross every female with freeze dried pollen and a tiny painter's brush

Growone is basically right about the 7 generations, provided that you are selecting the same pheno, same male. I might be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time with breeding, but if you can keep the same male you start with then select the correct pheno each time you will start seeing the plants looking pretty much the same in about 4 generations.
The breeding can get fairly complicated to try and make an IBL (inbred line) but it is lots of fun and there are a couple of ways to arrive at the same result, cubing is the easiest ( I will put in a link for you)but not necessarily the best way to go. From there you start to get into breeding for traits such as a specific flower type regardless of plant structure, this is the method I use. This is certainly not the fastest way to obtain what you want but you can keep a bigger gene pool which will help you to retain more vigor longer into the generations.
Hope that this helps.
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395655-creating-true-breeding-strains-vic.html
http://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/395659-mr-soul-brothers-grimm-cubing.html