sharing ideas not believing fairy tales

Zaehet, my point was that I completed your fragmented way of explaining what you shared with the forum...sarcastically I must add, but it was for my own humor which I will openly admit.

And I wasn't the guy who made the post about how much weed is worth a blowjob. I commented on it, but not that guy who made the thread....

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Facts are very important when your attempting to make someone look like an ass, and since paying attention is something that you seem to lack and to run on my sentence even longer...not very sure you would be the best person to discuss anything related to philosophy? Or am I just some mad mother fucker over here?

Though it is nice to meet you as well. I only wrote it because I was inspired by the steaming pile of shit you have turned this thread into...lol

"whhhyy sooo serious??"

the thread was started first to spread a thought, secondly to start philosophical debates... am i to assume by your angered response that you believe in fairy tales too then? which fairy tale do you believe in? christianity? islam? hinduism? or one that you've made up all by yourself? or would you rather not discuss it? or will you choose to not answer my question at all, and retort with a criticism that has nothing to do with the question i asked.... further distancing yourself from a question you do not want to answer.

or maybe... you understand what beliefs really are... just thoughts and ideas emerging from imagination?

(i apologize about the accusation i made on the thread you posted on, i was wrong, my bad)

No not upset at all and I was just being a smartass!

I actually believe in a God, but I believe it can't be explained or understood. The way religion corrupts these days and resorts to quoting things that can equal a children's fairy tale is absurd. I usually don't get into debates about religion because it always gets out of hand and people take it personally...just enjoy smoking some weed and being a smartass to pass my time since I have no local mmj friends yet...or I would just be doing it with them!

very well put sir, and i respect your conviction. to believe in a god that is beyond explanation and understanding is a completely logical answer to me. with this, could you even replace the word "god" with something that could be referred to as energy? or consciousness? tell me if im completely in the wrong here.

Zaehet Strife said:

very well put sir, and i respect your conviction. to believe in a god that is beyond explanation and understanding is a completely logical answer to me. with this, could you even replace the word "god" with something that could be referred to as energy? or consciousness? tell me if im completely in the wrong here.

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I can completely agree with that thought process, but that is the wonder of that in which we do not know! Yeah, fucking high as a mother right now! lol

JamCE said:

I actually believe in a God, but I believe it can't be explained or understood.

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There must be some reason you hold this belief. Are you able to verbalize the reason you believe there is such a being and what you think some of its attributes are? In general, something that cannot be explained without definable attributes shares the same qualities of something that doesn't exist. IOW, what do you think this god you believe in does or has done? Is it sort of a deistic god or does it intervene in our lives?

Last time I checked...I believe I made my explanation quite clear...I hold this believe because sometimes people need to reflect to themselves on what it means to them rather making justifications for every little thing.

Kinda of like something your brain could comprehend if you saw it or when explained it would sound so confusing it leaves people that have witnessed it confused...some deep ass shit!

As for the topic of religion, as I said before, I am not getting in a discussion about it because it always leads to some narrow-minded asshole impressing his egotistical point of view and being extremely pissed at some point in the conversation.

Furthermore, any additional questions you would like me to answer at your command I suggest using something called Bing or Google to satisfy your needs!

I don't understand. Are you upset that I'm asking these questions of you? What do you mean by 'at my command?' Did I command an answer from you? Was my questions worded any differently than it would have been in a thread about growing?

Sorry, but you did not make your explanation clear, otherwise I wouldn't ask for clarification. I have never held a belief about reality based on what I perceive I need or want or what other people need or want. I'm not asking about religion but about your specific belief. I would ask similar questions if you came here and made a statement professing belief in invisible dragons that fart rainbows. I agree that some people that cannot have this type of discussion without resorting to emotional arguments and personal attacks but I think you will find me reasonable and avoid pissing contests when the opposition is also reasonable. The reason I have such a vested interest in this type of question, why do we believe what we do, is because when I went through a period of personal discovery when I asked these questions of myself. I have no ulterior motive except to have a conversation that may be enlightening to one or more parties involved.

I think we find comfort and happiness in our beliefs because we are driven by them.

You believe in yourself because you know what you are capable of doing and you hold certain beliefs cause what they can do for you.

Holding beliefs that are negative will not help in acheiving success, while positive beliefs will.

What is positive or negative is strictly dependent on you and your preferences and experiences.


A true belief to oneself is one in which the choice to choose is free of external influence, making that belief unique to you and your needs.


Many can object what one believes in, but if you are content with yourself and happy with what you have accomplished, external voices do not matter.

Zaehet Strife said:

very well put sir, and i respect your conviction. to believe in a god that is beyond explanation and understanding is a completely logical answer to me. with this, could you even replace the word "god" with something that could be referred to as energy? or consciousness? tell me if im completely in the wrong here.

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You know it says something almost exactly to that point in the Bible...

olylifter420 said:

I think we find comfort and happiness in our beliefs because we are driven by them.

You believe in yourself because you know what you are capable of doing and you hold certain beliefs cause what they can do for you.

Holding beliefs that are negative will not help in acheiving success, while positive beliefs will.

What is positive or negative is strictly dependent on you and your preferences and experiences.


A true belief to oneself is one in which the choice to choose is free of external influence, making that belief unique to you and your needs.


Many can object what one believes in, but if you are content with yourself and happy with what you have accomplished, external voices do not matter.

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While you may be talking about beliefs in general, including political, moral, subjective ideas, I am only talking about beliefs about what we think about our shared reality (or not shared if you are a solipsist). If I asked you to think really hard and try to believe that gravity is ultimately caused by magic faeries, you would be unable to cause yourself to believe such a thing even though the real source of gravity is still somewhat of a mystery. You can no more convince yourself to believe something without strong evidence than I can. You would never send your child into surgery if you didn't have good empirical evidence that it was not only helpful but safe or the only or best of options. If someone cannot present me with a good reason to believe something, I usually reject it and that includes some of so-called alternative medicines, ghosts, faeries, many conspiracy theories, some are definitely more convincing than others but usually end up using similar fallacious arguments to deny evidence that goes against them. The list goes on and I bet you have similar lists but one item on that list is the god hypothesis and I am totally unconvinced of that one.

I basically am asking nothing more than to convince me. I am open-minded but I do call bullshit when I see it as well. Oly, I have heard your argument and have acknowledged it. We both agree that I don't have to accept it and you are free to do so and we can discuss other things. Every theist has their own reasons, I was curious what Jam's was.

olylifter420 said:

I think we find comfort and happiness in our beliefs because we are driven by them.

You believe in yourself because you know what you are capable of doing and you hold certain beliefs cause what they can do for you.

Holding beliefs that are negative will not help in acheiving success, while positive beliefs will.

What is positive or negative is strictly dependent on you and your preferences and experiences.


A true belief to oneself is one in which the choice to choose is free of external influence, making that belief unique to you and your needs.


Many can object what one believes in, but if you are content with yourself and happy with what you have accomplished, external voices do not matter.

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Yes, thank you...My point is that I am not worrying about what I don't know because I making each situation I encounter unique to me and my needs. It sounds a bit selfish, but after 11yrs in the military and combat tours I am deserving to a bit of self indulgence and less about questions not even the smartest people on this planet could comprehend.

I do love the discussion deeply, but typing it would require the explanation in such a long essay I would just lose my buzz!

I do apologize for the last comment. I just feel the details of finding out or thinking about it is not something I am willing to explore with a person who I don't know and randomly asked the question in a forum. Nothing against you at all!

JamCE said:

I do apologize for the last comment. I just feel the details of finding out or thinking about it is not something I am willing to explore with a person who I don't know and randomly asked the question in a forum. Nothing against you at all!

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That's pretty much what we do here, discuss things, ask each other questions, get the opinions of our peers, type things out...