wipe away ****** wipe awayFair play. The more basic Christian decency the better. It'd be a start. We could try that here.Christian decency for all. Now. Everybody apologize to cc and Vi or i'll wipe my dead uncle's ass with this picture of John Stewart.
Really though,from what i've seen of you on riu you make good points often, and can be quite diplomatic. Fair play.
She F'n killed him! Are you F'n blind! Yes!
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Doctor Pot
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Forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but this is not an accurate description of the typical American left. It's a distorted caricature of a typical right-wing idea of what the American left is like. Take our friend Barack Obama, for instance:
I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discovery We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers. Barack Obama
Does this sound like someone who wants to nationalize all of the nation's industry and redistribute everyone's money? Hardly. I hear all the time these ridiculous statements that Democrats are wrong because they want everyone to be equal. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Why do people keep repeating it?
Sounds more like our current president than anyone. Is that who you're talking about?
Candidates typically say whatever will get them elected, to a point. Every candidate does it. Remember Sarah Palin's speech where she talked about taking back the country and about how angry and fed up Republicans are? Does she realize Republicans have controlled the national government for most of the last decade? Who are they angry and fed up at exactly?
misshestermoffitt
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I can tell you that neither of my children are pregnant nor do they have anyone pregnant. I believe in educating my kids about sex, disease, and prevention and I'm guessing it works, got one 23 and one 20 and none with so much as a pregnancy scare.
My state is an abstinece only state and guess what, there are pregnant teens everywhere. Some of them are 18 with multiple children. You can blame the parents all you want, but this is everyones problem and her and her pregnant daughter are sending a message, "hey 17 year olds, go get pregnant, it's the cool thing to do, just look at Palin's daughter" .
Pregnancy can happen in epidemic form. One girl gets pregnant, receives lots of attention, another girls sees that and wants attention so she gets pregnant too. It goes on like dominoes. I can't believe that so many of you are blind to this situation.
My state is an abstinece only state and guess what, there are pregnant teens everywhere. Some of them are 18 with multiple children. You can blame the parents all you want, but this is everyones problem and her and her pregnant daughter are sending a message, "hey 17 year olds, go get pregnant, it's the cool thing to do, just look at Palin's daughter" .
Pregnancy can happen in epidemic form. One girl gets pregnant, receives lots of attention, another girls sees that and wants attention so she gets pregnant too. It goes on like dominoes. I can't believe that so many of you are blind to this situation.
undertheice
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not only do i recognize it, i have watched it spread so that no one even understands where it originates. even the republican party, once the home of conservative values, has been infiltrated by the socialist ideologies of the new left and their war against our basic right to our own property. why do you think i bother to rail against the way so many seem to accept the erosion of our freedoms while the politics of envy gnaws on the bones of the constitution?
.....nor is it tolerated by the left. in my lifetime i have watched the concepts of conservatism and liberalism exchange places. where liberals once worked to free the people from bondage to power hungry business magnates, they now seek to enslave them under an overly intrusive state. where conservatives once strove to maintain the status quo and retain the power of the few, they now engage in the seemingly futile battle to allow the people access to the means of excellence and success. one has betrayed its principles and the other has realized the passing of an age, but neither will tolerate rebellion once they are in power.
i think you have misinterpreted my statements. the religion of the left is the religion of socialism, the belief that the all-powerful state is capable of righting all wrongs. mere christianity is nothing compared to the insidious nature of a massive bureaucracy run amok. as cults go, the cult of entitlement is far more destructive to the spirit of a free country than any group of ritualistic lunatics. the belief that equality can be forced on a population by persecuting one group to the advantage of another is one of the cornerstones of a budding totalitarian regime. this religion, like most others, is not a matter of spirituality, but of ideology and power.
Doctor Pot
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Repeating this nonsense again? I guess I could copy and paste my last response to you, that fits this one again almost word for word.
tipsgnob
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my daughter is 18 and the school system here has been teaching the abstinece only since she was in the 7th grade and out of 201 girls in her senior class 16 were pregnant...
NewGrowth
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Works well huh? Kinda like arresting drug addicts. When will people get it? You can't teach someone to make the "right" choice or force the to do it. But you can educate them and provide them with the means for prevention.
puffdamagikdragon
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And you don't think the Patriot Act which was implemented and supported by the right isn't the culmilation of the 'erosion of our freedoms?' They take your land away RIGHT NOW cuz a developer wants to develop the land, they FORCE you to sell to businessmen, not just for railroads and hwys. Happens ALL THE TIME out here where I live, people getting their homes taken away by eminent domain and being fored to sell, so DEVELOPERS can have the property. THAT is also supported by the right. And the right SHORE ain't interested in some poor crack baby from the projects "allowed the people access to the means of excellence and success.'' They don't care about sucess for anyone but those born already privaledged to begin with. And if you think you can have sucess by working hard alone, then you have obviously never tried to start a business when you have nothing. You gotta have money to make money, and most people make more money letting their inheritances sit in a bank, far more than I make bustin my ass every week. I don't have even $1,000 in the bank, and I struggle hand to mouth and am still doing better than I was but only cuz of great sacrifice and -then again- family connections. WHile I have used them to help me and my family, I haven't turned a blind eye to a system that only feeds itself, and at the expense of those NOT born priviledged. Very few have worked thier way to the top, most started with something, which is more than so many have. Who is some rich person to judge me? They ain't gotta bust ass just to feed themselves and their families and watch more and more go out for gas and groceries and no extra comin in. But when you got 5 and 9 (and up) digits in the bank, it makes more money than I can bustin ass. How can they relate? Like tryin explain getting high to someone who has never smoked anything stronger than a cigarette, but since they HAVE smoked a cigarette they THINK they can guess.
And with Palin refering to the Iraq war as 'God's Plan' shows the RELIGOUS fanatism posing as spirituality, which is a problem in this country. The left doesn't hide behind Jesus to do its dirty deeds, nor does it justify it with a misconstrued mindset.
You aren't much of a student of socialogy if you can't see socialist and totalitarian tactics from BOTH sides. You are just biased with a basic working knowledge of the vocabulary. The right just doesn't even attempt to make excuses for it.
And with Palin refering to the Iraq war as 'God's Plan' shows the RELIGOUS fanatism posing as spirituality, which is a problem in this country. The left doesn't hide behind Jesus to do its dirty deeds, nor does it justify it with a misconstrued mindset.
You aren't much of a student of socialogy if you can't see socialist and totalitarian tactics from BOTH sides. You are just biased with a basic working knowledge of the vocabulary. The right just doesn't even attempt to make excuses for it.
undertheice
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i'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. come spend some time here in the beautiful, nearly bankrupt california socialist's collective if you need an example of the liberal way of life. with some of the highest taxes in the nation to try and support their endless list of do-nothing social programs, sacramento is still unable to do anything more than borrow on next years taxes and hike the rates even further in their sorry attempt to find a workable budget. whether you like it or not, the followers of the left are buying into the rhetoric of leaders whose prime objective is complete control over every aspect of our lives. while paying lip-service to the greatness of the american way of life, they are penalizing success and subsidizing failure.
puffdamagikdragon
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WELL said, New Growth. KUUUUUDDDDOOOS!!!
Doctor Pot
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When I went to school they DID teach us about birth control, but then, plenty of the mouth-breathers in my class managed to fuck it up anyway. Let's see... out of 19 girls in my graduating class (yeah, small school) 3 had kids before they graduated. True, it's a small sample size, but the pregnancy rate at my school is like double your daughter's.
Interestingly enough, two thirds of the babies born to my graduating class had the same father. Sarah Palin doesn't know what she's talking about, small towns suck! I couldn't wait to leave that place.
puffdamagikdragon
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Well, lesse the results of the domination of the right, and where I live too. THe food bank has run dry, my friend who goes there every week said that last week the doors were closed and a sign saying they didn't have ANY food, not even cans of curry that no one wants. Gas goes up 3 dollars and then it comes down 4 cents and we hear 'gas prices are down'- BULLSHIT, they will be 'down' when they don't go over a dollar and a half again, groceries climb like gas does, salaries don't, unemployment is breaking records and we are at war with a country that did not the first thing to us, but everytime gas goes up Bush's pockets get feathered and every time a building blows up Haliburton makes a new contract and more money, not to mention the tears of mothers and fathers who have lost their children to a war they don't understand.
Clinton midda been a douchbag, but at least when he was in office we had NO deficit, we weren't paying HOW much for a war we can't win, I could fill up my car with $25 and feed my family for $100 a week. Now I don't even know how much it costs to fill up cuz I can never afford it, and groceries are running about $300 a week, and thtt is with cutbacks. THAT is the effect it has had on me, and I don't know of anyone around me, poor repluicans included that are doing well. THe fat cats and Wall Street exects. have been rollin in dough cuz thier greed was given free rein by deregulations and now they are whining that they are chokin now, and the stupid ass government is gonna give them even MORE money than the profane amount they already have, which is gonna sit in a bank and draw interest, every drop of which us taxpayers won't see.
Get your head outta your ass and you could see more than your hatred for those you lable liberal (and oh, btw, hasn't California been under the rule of a REPUBLICAN for awhile now?)
Clinton midda been a douchbag, but at least when he was in office we had NO deficit, we weren't paying HOW much for a war we can't win, I could fill up my car with $25 and feed my family for $100 a week. Now I don't even know how much it costs to fill up cuz I can never afford it, and groceries are running about $300 a week, and thtt is with cutbacks. THAT is the effect it has had on me, and I don't know of anyone around me, poor repluicans included that are doing well. THe fat cats and Wall Street exects. have been rollin in dough cuz thier greed was given free rein by deregulations and now they are whining that they are chokin now, and the stupid ass government is gonna give them even MORE money than the profane amount they already have, which is gonna sit in a bank and draw interest, every drop of which us taxpayers won't see.
Get your head outta your ass and you could see more than your hatred for those you lable liberal (and oh, btw, hasn't California been under the rule of a REPUBLICAN for awhile now?)
ccodiane
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Oh my lord! Brilliant, just brilliant. This is what I've been trying to say all along! Brilliant!When I went to school they DID teach us about birth control, but then, plenty of the mouth-breathers in my class managed to fuck it up anyway. Let's see... out of 19 girls in my graduating class (yeah, small school) 3 had kids before they graduated. True, it's a small sample size, but the pregnancy rate at my school is like double your daughter's.
Interestingly enough, two thirds of the babies born to my graduating class had the same father. Sarah Palin doesn't know what she's talking about, small towns suck! I couldn't wait to leave that place.
ccodiane
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What? You're crazy, dumb dumb.
TheBrutalTruth
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Well, lesse the results of the domination of the right, and where I live too. THe food bank has run dry, my friend who goes there every week said that last week the doors were closed and a sign saying they didn't have ANY food, not even cans of curry that no one wants. Gas goes up 3 dollars and then it comes down 4 cents and we hear 'gas prices are down'- BULLSHIT, they will be 'down' when they don't go over a dollar and a half again, groceries climb like gas does, salaries don't, unemployment is breaking records and we are at war with a country that did not the first thing to us, but everytime gas goes up Bush's pockets get feathered and every time a building blows up Haliburton makes a new contract and more money, not to mention the tears of mothers and fathers who have lost their children to a war they don't understand.
Clinton midda been a douchbag, but at least when he was in office we had NO deficit, we weren't paying HOW much for a war we can't win, I could fill up my car with $25 and feed my family for $100 a week. Now I don't even know how much it costs to fill up cuz I can never afford it, and groceries are running about $300 a week, and thtt is with cutbacks. THAT is the effect it has had on me, and I don't know of anyone around me, poor repluicans included that are doing well. THe fat cats and Wall Street exects. have been rollin in dough cuz thier greed was given free rein by deregulations and now they are whining that they are chokin now, and the stupid ass government is gonna give them even MORE money than the profane amount they already have, which is gonna sit in a bank and draw interest, every drop of which us taxpayers won't see.
Get your head outta your ass and you could see more than your hatred for those you lable liberal (and oh, btw, hasn't California been under the rule of a REPUBLICAN for awhile now?)
Puff, chill, your arguments are horribly flawed.
First off, you are saying we are in a country that did nothing to us. That may be true, but we've been engaging in a conflict with Iraq since 1991. There was never any peace treaty.
That really sucks, you know, up here in Ohio, I had to throw away around $60 dollars worth of food due to the windstorms we had that were related to Ike. It sucked. Now, while I would like to be able to blame that two-bit shill for the banks we have as a Senator (Brown (who is a Democrat and voted for the Bail Out)) you don't see me doing that because it's pointless.
I miss 98¢/gallon gas myself, however, if it wasn't for government taxes Gas would be right around $2.50 where I live right now, and I don't remember gas every going up $3 at once. $3 over the last 4 years, yes, and for that I blame a deliberately inflationary policy that must be pursued by our government due to the fact that because of the lack of Self-Responsibility it must continuously run a deficit, and because of the continued War in Iraq.
Yeah, he just gave us Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia and Tyco. He also gave us a stupid useless internet bubble that transferred a lot of wealth from naive fools into manipulative bastards who saw that there was a mania in the stock market for companies with an E or a .COM in their names, or stated that they had anything to do with the internet.
Clinton also gave us Kosovo, and the embarassment that was Somalia.
And Obama, McCain, and Bush all supported it, while the majority of the Republicans in the House refused to support it.
Obama and his advisors, Franklin "Millions from Fannie" Raines and James Johnson are the same people that made millions from this crisis. What was Obama doing, suing firms like CitiBank for not providing enough Subprime Mortgages, and what caused this Crisis, Subprime Mortgages and their Securitization.
If Obama pried his mouth away from Fannie's fannie I'd be impressed, of course, that would require him to take his hands out of Fannie's pockets.
Don't forget that Senator Chris Dodd (D) accepted sweetheart loans from Countrywide Financial.
This current crisis, and all the bullshit attached connects to the Democrats a lot more than Bush. The only thing that I have against Bush is that instead of acting rationally and calmly he is screwing over the entire country by supporting the Bail Out.
From my experience most Liberals think they have the right to dictate how I live, and if the bars in my area allow smoking or not. Of course I am going to treat them like they are worth less than a Dog (not any dog, but a nasty mangy flee ridden Dog.)
Their party of choice is also the ones that have accepted the most in contributions from the Finance Industry, and the ones that overwhelmingly backed the bail outs.
puffdamagikdragon
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Exactly. This whole Iraq war has more to do with desert storm than ever it did with wmd, or deals with Somalia, or 9/11. If they wanted to finish the job (which the ethics of THATwere debatable as well, there are lots of tyrants in the world, and we weren't doin DICK about them, oh yeah, I forgot, NO OIL) perhaps they just shudda been honest about it, rather than try and use a time of great pain and trauma of the nation to some political advantage.
Bullshit. Taxes aren't THAT much different than they were before, such a lame arguement. Try the difference being the speculators that have gotten involved, the difference between dry barrels and wet barrels, and try the price gougeing that has gone on long before, but now they have gotten too clever at cleaning up their tracks. They learned much from Enron (of which McCain's original economic advisor was up to his EARS in, Gramm) and now they have learned how to manipulate the market and get by with it. And no administration EVER can hold a candle to the Bush administration when it comes to lack of accountability. Clinton had his problems, but not near the frequency and depth of corruption that the Bush administration has TRIED so hard to duck.
I know more dirt than YOU on Clinton, I agree with you that he was a crook and a douchebag, and Hillary is as dirty as he is, so slammin Clinton won't win anything with me. I have more issues with the Clintons than I do Obama, but give Obama time and I am sure to dislike him too. Seems every career politician is the problem, is it power that corrupts, or is it only the corrupt who seek power? You will hafta do better than that, I have the same disdain for the Clintons, tho his presidency didn't bleed us like we are being bled now. (But I forget, the buck doesn't stop with Bush, he will dodge that like he did everything else..... But in CLINTON"S day the buck stopped with the president! Or was it only to stop when a leftie was in office?
)Here is the REAL reason for the crisis, and again the right is heavily influenced it....
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/115832-real-reason-mess.html
well, I am SO sure that knid of mentality only brings the bigots and the relgious fundies, no wonder. Instead the right wants to tell me and my daughters how we are 'allowed' to use our wombs, and forces thier assinine religion down my throat and me have no right to cry foul, tell me I need to support a war over oil to a country that hasn't done shit and don't have wmd, while countries who do just-as-bad-or-worse are ignored or supported cuz of some vested financial interest and bleed me dry to pay for a war I don't believe in. he right also wants to be sure and discredit and mock me, using the most infantile of tactics while calling ME 'niave', and using a whole plethora of terms and lables to ridicule me and pigeonhole me cuz I don't conform and I wont do what I am told.
Too bad, me such a baaaaaaaaad person for thinking for myself.
Come to the dark side. We have cookies.
ccodiane
New Member
Exactly. This whole Iraq war has more to do with desert storm than ever it did with wmd, or deals with Somalia, or 9/11. If they wanted to finish the job (which the ethics of THATwere debatable as well, there are lots of tyrants in the world, and we weren't doin DICK about them, oh yeah, I forgot, NO OIL) perhaps they just shudda been honest about it, rather than try and use a time of great pain and trauma of the nation to some political advantage. Bullshit. Taxes aren't THAT much different than they were before, such a lame arguement. Try the difference being the speculators that have gotten involved, the difference between dry barrels and wet barrels, and try the price gougeing that has gone on long before, but now they have gotten too clever at cleaning up their tracks. They learned much from Enron (of which McCain's original economic advisor was up to his EARS in, Gramm) and now they have learned how to manipulate the market and get by with it. And no administration EVER can hold a candle to the Bush administration when it comes to lack of accountability. Clinton had his problems, but not near the frequency and depth of corruption that the Bush administration has TRIED so hard to duck. I know more dirt than YOU on Clinton, I agree with you that he was a crook and a douchebag, and Hillary is as dirty as he is, so slammin Clinton won't win anything with me. I have more issues with the Clintons than I do Obama, but give Obama time and I am sure to dislike him too. Seems every career politician is the problem, is it power that corrupts, or is it only the corrupt who seek power? You will hafta do better than that, I have the same disdain for the Clintons, tho his presidency didn't bleed us like we are being bled now. (But I forget, the buck doesn't stop with Bush, he will dodge that like he did everything else..... But in CLINTON"S day the buck stopped with the president! Or was it only to stop when a leftie was in office?
And Obama, McCain, and Bush all supported it, while the majority of the Republicans in the House refused to support it.
Obama and his advisors, Franklin "Millions from Fannie" Raines and James Johnson are the same people that made millions from this crisis. What was Obama doing, suing firms like CitiBank for not providing enough Subprime Mortgages, and what caused this Crisis, Subprime Mortgages and their Securitization.
If Obama pried his mouth away from Fannie's fannie I'd be impressed, of course, that would require him to take his hands out of Fannie's pockets.
Don't forget that Senator Chris Dodd (D) accepted sweetheart loans from Countrywide Financial.
This current crisis, and all the bullshit attached connects to the Democrats a lot more than Bush. The only thing that I have against Bush is that instead of acting rationally and calmly he is screwing over the entire country by supporting the Bail Out.
Here is the REAL reason for the crisis, and again the right is heavily influenced it....
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/115832-real-reason-mess.html
well, I am SO sure that knid of mentality only brings the bigots and the relgious fundies, no wonder. Instead the right wants to tell me and my daughters how we are 'allowed' to use our wombs, and forces thier assinine religion down my throat and me have no right to cry foul, tell me I need to support a war over oil to a country that hasn't done shit and don't have wmd, while countries who do just-as-bad-or-worse are ignored or supported cuz of some vested financial interest and bleed me dry to pay for a war I don't believe in. he right also wants to be sure and discredit and mock me, using the most infantile of tactics while calling ME 'niave', and using a whole plethora of terms and lables to ridicule me and pigeonhole me cuz I don't conform and I wont do what I am told.
Too bad, me such a baaaaaaaaad person for thinking for myself.
Come to the dark side. We have cookies.
What kind? I'm exhausted and could use a sugar boost......
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
Exactly. This whole Iraq war has more to do with desert storm than ever it did with wmd, or deals with Somalia, or 9/11. If they wanted to finish the job (which the ethics of THATwere debatable as well, there are lots of tyrants in the world, and we weren't doin DICK about them, oh yeah, I forgot, NO OIL) perhaps they just shudda been honest about it, rather than try and use a time of great pain and trauma of the nation to some political advantage. Bullshit. Taxes aren't THAT much different than they were before, such a lame arguement. Try the difference being the speculators that have gotten involved, the difference between dry barrels and wet barrels, and try the price gougeing that has gone on long before, but now they have gotten too clever at cleaning up their tracks. They learned much from Enron (of which McCain's original economic advisor was up to his EARS in, Gramm) and now they have learned how to manipulate the market and get by with it. And no administration EVER can hold a candle to the Bush administration when it comes to lack of accountability. Clinton had his problems, but not near the frequency and depth of corruption that the Bush administration has TRIED so hard to duck. I know more dirt than YOU on Clinton, I agree with you that he was a crook and a douchebag, and Hillary is as dirty as he is, so slammin Clinton won't win anything with me. I have more issues with the Clintons than I do Obama, but give Obama time and I am sure to dislike him too. Seems every career politician is the problem, is it power that corrupts, or is it only the corrupt who seek power? You will hafta do better than that, I have the same disdain for the Clintons, tho his presidency didn't bleed us like we are being bled now. (But I forget, the buck doesn't stop with Bush, he will dodge that like he did everything else..... But in CLINTON"S day the buck stopped with the president! Or was it only to stop when a leftie was in office?
medicineman
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Yes, I'll freely admit to being an opinionated jack ass.
Thank god you said it, saved me the effort.
Thank god you said it, saved me the effort.